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Old 04-16-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Any link to the data proving that? Or is that just an opinion as well?
Read below. CaseyB was kind enough to supply it.

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Old 04-16-2009, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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Interesting stats. Winchester's high school is in the top 10% in 10th grade math, science, and english. Woburn High is not even in the top 50% in any of those. What a difference a few miles can make...
Right. We who live in New England aren't surprised by that because of our local control of the schools. You often have to explain this to newcomers who are used to countywide school systems.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Southern NH
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Right. We who live in New England aren't surprised by that because of our local control of the schools. You often have to explain this to newcomers who are used to countywide school systems.
One would think that it would not happen in MA as they spread the money around between the cities and towns. I believe that 80% of my property taxes stay in my town and 80%+ of that money goes to the schools in my town. I don't believe that it is the same case in MA.....
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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One would think that it would not happen in MA as they spread the money around between the cities and towns. I believe that 80% of my property taxes stay in my town and 80%+ of that money goes to the schools in my town. I don't believe that it is the same case in MA.....
Yes, that is true. In general the wealthier districts don't get as much back in state aid, but what I meant was more the mixing of different demographics.
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Old 04-17-2009, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Seabrook, New Hampshire
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There have been dozens of studies showing no correlation between more funding and better test scores. A more worrisome study shows a nearly perfect inverse correlation between state funding and test scores. That is to say, that the more dollars per student the state controls, the lower your test scores. With funding come strings attached. In my home state of Washington, public schools have to comply with a book of over 30,000 rules, regulations, and state mandated educational requirements. Everything--the length of the school day, teacher pay, testing requirements, the curriculum, even how textbooks are chosen--is now controlled from the top down.

Literally as soon as the Dems took over in Concord, they passed a bill stating that schooling is now a state responsibility. Anyone living under the dillusion that the Democratic party cares about the working man is total moron. They are pushing a socialistic agenda, and are totally controlled by the Rockefeller's from the top down. The same left wing groups funded by that family--gun control advocates, the NEA, gay marriage groups, "environmental" groups pushing socialism, globalists, etc--push their ideas on kids in the public schools when they're still young and impressionable.

The American system is being turned into an exact copy of the Soviet system, just with lower standards.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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Literally as soon as the Dems took over in Concord, they passed a bill stating that schooling is now a state responsibility. Anyone living under the dillusion that the Democratic party cares about the working man is total moron. They are pushing a socialistic agenda, and are totally controlled by the Rockefeller's from the top down. The same left wing groups funded by that family--gun control advocates, the NEA, gay marriage groups, "environmental" groups pushing socialism, globalists, etc--push their ideas on kids in the public schools when they're still young and impressionable.

The American system is being turned into an exact copy of the Soviet system, just with lower standards.

The thinking behind this post is what drove me OUT of NH after living there for 36 years. I find MA to be light years ahead of NH when it comes to tolerance of people who are different than you. MA also easily bests NH in diversity of people and thought, in culture, in economic opportunity and in taking care of the needs of its citizens. MA actually has services, NH does not. As a born and bred Granite Stater I've always found NH to be cheap, not frugal, cheap.
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Southern NH
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The thinking behind this post is what drove me OUT of NH after living there for 36 years. I find MA to be light years ahead of NH when it comes to tolerance of people who are different than you. MA also easily bests NH in diversity of people and thought, in culture, in economic opportunity and in taking care of the needs of its citizens. MA actually has services, NH does not. As a born and bred Granite Stater I've always found NH to be cheap, not frugal, cheap.
MA has diversity of people and thought? I guess you don't remember the overt racism of the busing crisis, the covert racism of Tom Finneran (MA speaker of the house) gerrymandering districts to keep minorities from being elected, etc.

MA Diversity: MA is 89% white.

Such diversity in the politics of MA where almost every elected official is a Democrat and the state house and state senate are super-majorities of Democrats. How many speakers of the house now is it that have been arrested or resigned in disgrace - DiMasi, Finneran, Charlie Flaherty...

Diveristy 11 of the 12 MA US Senator and congressman are rich white males. The woman is the widower of a rich white male.

MA leads NH in economic opportunities? Really? Unemployment rate: NH # 12 lowest in the country, MA #24. MA - the only state that lost population in the 1990s.
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Economic growth by state: NH #15, MA #31
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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MA has diversity of people and thought? I guess you don't remember the overt racism of the busing crisis, the covert racism of Tom Finneran (MA speaker of the house) gerrymandering districts to keep minorities from being elected, etc.

MA Diversity: MA is 89% white.

Such diversity in the politics of MA where almost every elected official is a Democrat and the state house and state senate are super-majorities of Democrats. How many speakers of the house now is it that have been arrested or resigned in disgrace - DiMasi, Finneran, Charlie Flaherty...

Diveristy 11 of the 12 MA US Senator and congressman are rich white males. The woman is the widower of a rich white male.

MA leads NH in economic opportunities? Really? Unemployment rate: NH # 12 lowest in the country, MA #24. MA - the only state that lost population in the 1990s.
Unemployment Rates for States

Economic growth by state: NH #15, MA #31
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Brilliant That's how to DEMOLISH an arguement in a civil, but hard-hitting way. These people who yap about diversity all sound the same. The political corruption in Massachusetts is ALL-Consuming. The endless fake pensions, the taxes, it's a mess down there. Always has been.

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Old 04-17-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Southern NH
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Brilliant That's how to DEMOLISH an arguement in a civil, but hard-hitting way. These people who yap about diversity all sound the same. The political corruption in Massachusetts is ALL-Consuming. The endless fake pensions, the taxes, it's a mess down there. Always has been.
I grew up in the city of Boston in an Irish working class neighborhood. Several of the guys that I knew back then are part of the "old boy network" today... It is amazing that you still meet Democrats in Boston that are as racist as their parents were in 1974...
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Old 04-17-2009, 03:14 PM
 
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I grew up in the city of Boston in an Irish working class neighborhood. Several of the guys that I knew back then are part of the "old boy network" today... It is amazing that you still meet Democrats in Boston that are as racist as their parents were in 1974...
I still have property down there. I know how the state works, or better, does not work. Massachusetts is anything but progressive. NH is the state with the libertarian history. Boston has some of the most racially segregated neighborhoods in the country. Lol, and the most rude and terrible drivers in the world On a more serious note Mass has some of the most angry people I have ever interacted with.....and I've traveled all over the country. If they push their sales tax up to 6% I expect to see even more of them shopping up here.
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