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I just read that Gov. Christie halted this project due to escalating cost. What do you guys think?
Edit: I'm not starting this thread to bash or support Christie or start political debate. I wanted more of is this good move for NJ in long term. Additional capacity for commuter vs. fiscal conservation.
The cost overruns are real.....
The right thing to do would be to bid the project out - get a consensus on actual cost and hold the builders to it - meaning they are liable for cost overruns. Why should the taxpayer continually bear the brunt of incompetence performed by bumbling contractors and the PA?
Like i said previous threads , the project should have been killed years ago. It was poorly planned , rushed , terrible oversight and NJT put on hold 11 projects to fund it. So the people of Essex , Warren , Somerset , Bergen , Passaic and Middlesex counties should be angry. I hope Now NJT puts the $$$ into those on hold projects like New Brunswick , Newark , Trenton , Bergen , and Elizabeth Light Rail systems and full Electrification of the NJCL and Morristown line.
commuters dont seem to want to pay higher fares but they want taxpayers to spend billions for them to commute. sounds fair.
Well, I would've liked to see the tunnel become a reality, just because we only have four ways of getting across the river (GWB, LT, HT, PATH), and they are all at near capacity. But I understand the points that Nexis brings up, and the fact that many people did NOT like the idea that this new tunnel would not bring them to an established rail junction.
But CaptainNJ, you seem to forget that each and every commuter sitting in a seat on a train is one less car on the roadways, based on one passenger (the driver) in each car, which is not far from reality. If all those additional cars were on our roads, you would not be able to move, or breathe. No amount of road widening would be able to manage it.
Well if Amtrak is building another tunnel anyway, maybe they can use this one for a start. I think all that has been done so far is the Western beginning where the tunnel would start as the trains go under US 1&9 (Tonnele Ave at that point). Besides there has been a lot of criticism that this tunnel would go nowhere in NYC and be about 10 stories deep somewhere under Macy's store. Makes you wonder how useful it would really be and if we'd have to wait another decade and spend billions more for a train station to be built underground.
It was absolutely insane to even discuss building an $8 billion tunnel when the state can hardly afford to fix a pothole.
The bottom line is that we cannot afford it, and it was rightly killed. I don't want to place my grandchildren (and I'm in my 20s) further in debt so a few people can have a shorter commute to work in the morning.
Well the 11 Billion $$$ Amtrak Tunnel plan will start later this decade , 4 New Manhattan Tunnels and a New Station. The MOM , West Trenton , Lackawanna , Philpsburg Extension , Cape May , Pompton , and Cross-County Connector seem to be all good and those projects weren't rushed or badly designed. Those Projects should be completed by the end of the decade. However i'm concerned about key projects that kinda relied on the ARC and may be delayed like the Portal Bridge Replacement , Newark Penn Station upgrade and Grade Separation of all Railway JCTs feeding into the NEC. Also upgrading Newark Penn to hand 60 trains per hour.
Well the 11 Billion $$$ Amtrak Tunnel plan will start later this decade , 4 New Manhattan Tunnels and a New Station. The MOM , West Trenton , Lackawanna , Philpsburg Extension , Cape May , Pompton , and Cross-County Connector seem to be all good and those projects weren't rushed or badly designed. Those Projects should be completed by the end of the decade. However i'm concerned about key projects that kinda relied on the ARC and may be delayed like the Portal Bridge Replacement , Newark Penn Station upgrade and Grade Separation of all Railway JCTs feeding into the NEC. Also upgrading Newark Penn to hand 60 trains per hour.
I guess I'm just selfish...I really wanted a direct commute, so I think this sucks. I could care less about the other rail projects since I don't utilize any of those services...I guess it's kind of how everyone else here, who is against the tunnel, feels...since it won't benefit them they are against it.
I guess I'm just selfish...I really wanted a direct commute, so I think this sucks. I could care less about the other rail projects since I don't utilize any of those services...I guess it's kind of how everyone else here, who is against the tunnel, feels...since it won't benefit them they are against it.
You can use the Cross County line , to the PATH system once thats done you'll save at least 100$ on monthly pass. The Cross County line would run form Hawthorne to North Bergen and link up the Main line , Bergen line , Pascack Valley line and Hudson Bergen LRT network. It would use existing ROW and be diesel so this will be a cheap line , eventually the line will extend back to Sparta.
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I could care less about the other rail projects since I don't utilize any of those services...I guess it's kind of how everyone else here, who is against the tunnel, feels...since it won't benefit them they are against it.
