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Old 05-12-2011, 09:38 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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When America reaches the size of Europe -- that is, Western Europe excluding Scandinavia and Italy, because that's where the much-ballyhooed part of the European rail network is.
Actually the Northeast Megapolis is smaller then Europe and is denser then the US. 3 Decades from Now if all goes according to plan we should have a Euro style network and then some..... Southeastern PA , DC Metro , and Boston Metro are areas to watch , there really starting to expand there systems. Upstate NY and New England trying to funding BRT and LRT in there cities , its getting there , line by line. Take out Alaska and Europe is bigger then the US.
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:17 PM
 
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Actually the Northeast Megapolis is smaller then Europe and is denser then the US. 3 Decades from Now if all goes according to plan we should have a Euro style network and then some..... Southeastern PA , DC Metro , and Boston Metro are areas to watch , there really starting to expand there systems. Upstate NY and New England trying to funding BRT and LRT in there cities , its getting there , line by line. Take out Alaska and Europe is bigger then the US.
Continental Europe is bigger than the Continental US, but the part of Europe with the train system that transit fans lust after is much smaller. Nobody waxes lyrical over the Italian rail system or the Swedish one. Upstate NY? Even the Albany/Schenectady/Troy area doesn't have nearly the density to support rail transit. You could build it in Albany proper, but it would be just another isolated metro system. SE PA is all talk; they're still talking about some gold-plated line from Philadelphia to Reading, which misses the point entirely. DC Metro is an almost pure hub and spoke system in an area where radial travel is at least as common.
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Continental Europe is bigger than the Continental US, but the part of Europe with the train system that transit fans lust after is much smaller. Nobody waxes lyrical over the Italian rail system or the Swedish one. Upstate NY? Even the Albany/Schenectady/Troy area doesn't have nearly the density to support rail transit. You could build it in Albany proper, but it would be just another isolated metro system. SE PA is all talk; they're still talking about some gold-plated line from Philadelphia to Reading, which misses the point entirely. DC Metro is an almost pure hub and spoke system in an area where radial travel is at least as common.
By 2035 for most of SEPA , Urban Philly is stalled. Europe is the same size as the lower 48 , slightly bigger... The Megapolis is the size of Finland but has the density to support Rail and Transit. A Swedish system could work very well in New England but would fail in the Mid Atlantic. But the Northeast , will have a Northeastern system , it will be unique to this Region. Albany plans on building BRT , and Regional Rail sometime down the road.... Most Transit fans , do not lust for the European system , we want our old system back....
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Old 05-13-2011, 04:40 AM
 
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Default hard economic times alert, rail or a roads a priority?

With a crumbling infrastructure it appears the lust for rail speed and construction of isolated trains to 'nowhere' should not be the first priority given the state of our economy.

Trains are nice especially for the broker who lives in Red Bank or the sophisticate from Hoboken who 'loves' the city.

The EPA required environmental impact statements and the emminent domain lawsuits would accompany expanded rail in this country. Ya'll yalk like rail can be plopped down anywhere. All you need is federal grant money as a primer to justify more local taxation. Someday but not now.

Rail is good for both passengers and goods. It is not a panacea.

Europe does not exist. Ask anyone from Belgium or any other country. EU vs US comparisons are not equivalent on so many levels.
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Old 05-13-2011, 05:22 PM
 
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Actually the Northeast Megapolis is smaller then Europe and is denser then the US. 3 Decades from Now if all goes according to plan we should have a Euro style network and then some..... Southeastern PA , DC Metro , and Boston Metro are areas to watch , there really starting to expand there systems. Upstate NY and New England trying to funding BRT and LRT in there cities , its getting there , line by line. Take out Alaska and Europe is bigger then the US.
THATS NOT ENOUGH we need CROSS COUNTRY HIGHSPEED RAIL NOT JUST NORTHEAST!!!!!! NOT EVERYONE IS IN NORTHEAST US
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Old 05-13-2011, 05:25 PM
 
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By 2035 for most of SEPA , Urban Philly is stalled. Europe is the same size as the lower 48 , slightly bigger... The Megapolis is the size of Finland but has the density to support Rail and Transit. A Swedish system could work very well in New England but would fail in the Mid Atlantic. But the Northeast , will have a Northeastern system , it will be unique to this Region. Albany plans on building BRT , and Regional Rail sometime down the road.... Most Transit fans , do not lust for the European system , we want our old system back....
well said WE NEED OUR TRAINS BACK THIS INSTANT
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Old 05-13-2011, 05:27 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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THATS NOT ENOUGH we need CROSS COUNTRY HIGHSPEED RAIL NOT JUST NORTHEAST!!!!!! NOT EVERYONE IS IN NORTHEAST US
Well i only care about the Northeastern Megapolis....
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Old 05-13-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Are you from England?
an aunt of mine lives in england but I am not from england
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:52 PM
 
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By 2035 for most of SEPA , Urban Philly is stalled.
All of Southeastern PA is stalled. That's not just a transit thing, that's a PA thing.

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Europe is the same size as the lower 48 , slightly bigger... The Megapolis is the size of Finland but has the density to support Rail and Transit.
The Megalopolis doesn't really exist. There is not continuous urban development between Boston and Washington, DC. There is a lot of medium-density development all around the area; the sort which is not feasible for rail transit.
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Old 05-13-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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All of Southeastern PA is stalled. That's not just a transit thing, that's a PA thing.



The Megalopolis doesn't really exist. There is not continuous urban development between Boston and Washington, DC. There is a lot of medium-density development all around the area; the sort which is not feasible for rail transit.
It does exist , and Medium Density can and does support Rail Transit , what are you talking about? Megapolis's can have breaks in them , they don't have to be one giant continuous development. As for the PA Developments there moving slowly , there Upgrading the Trolley routes and expanding the Trolley system before anything else happens. The Norristown HSL is also getting expanded and upgraded and a New Fare system is being integrated. Those are the only things happening this decade.
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