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Old 06-06-2011, 04:19 AM
 
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A step in the right direction would be opening more mentor centers where kids can go after school. Pay the mentors instead of making it volunteer work, this could help open up many more jobs. The one common thread between parents who have kids they do not care about and parents who work 3 jobs trying to get a better living for their kids, is that neither spend or are able to spend a lot of time with their kids. What time they do spend with them matters.

For the family who does not care about their kids and teaches them that what they are learning in school is not important/ does not encourage them to learn, having an after school place the kids can go and be with others their age (not gangs or on the streets) would be important.

For the family where the parents are working 3 jobs to try to get out into a better situation the kid would be able to be with their friends. Instead of possibly being the first dropped off/last picked up (which could lead to bullying/ easy target for gangs), they would be able to be with friends. They would not get the ideas in their head that something is wrong with them or their parents do not care about them. This would also put less pressure on the parents trying to run everywhere and overexert themselves. This could lead to them having more energy for good quality time with the children.

The main thing is giving the kids activities to be involved with after school, with a constant influence they can turn to for support. Only by keeping kids off the streets can the cycle be broken.

You cannot force education on the ignorant (some parents), but there is hope for their children.

I like what Steve's Club is doing down in Camden and a few other cities across the country. Steve's Club - Crossfit Youth Fitness
Well said thats what I will do if I was a govonor of newark LOL
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:36 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Well said thats what I will do if I was a govonor of newark LOL
Governor of Newark? LOL
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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Education is there for the taking...if you WANT it. The Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, etc. immigrants that populated the Lower East Side 100+ years ago didn't have to be told twice what their way out of the ghetto was. They knew as little ones.

When getting good grades is called "acting white", you know we have a looooong way to go toward convincing some ppl that education is the path to the middle class
That is really true, and super unfortunate. In bad neighborhoods, success in school is mocked. "Acting white", or "talking white" (speaking proper English) is often avoided by kids who have otherwise good intentions.

This coupled with the fact that 75% of black children are raised without a father creates a recipe for total disaster. Why is there an inherent breakdown of family structure in the African American community? What's the answer? I have no idea.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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Not saying this is the case in Newark today, but many cities and towns in the past have altered crime statistics to get a message across. Crime stats are reported by the individual town/city and while there are guidelines there is some leeway with how the numbers are reported.

Take a shooting for instance. You can charge someone with attempted murder, possession of a firearm, evading police, etc. Most people get a slew of charges thrown at them. However, when I report it I can legally just report the attempted murder, this would show as one incident. If I wanted to inflate the statistics, I could list each of the charged offenses separarely and they would each count as one separate incident.

I believe the last time I heard about this happening was in Camden where they artificially inflated the crime rates following police layoffs. If reported the old way crime had very marginally increased, but they were showing a major jump after the layoffs.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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That is really true, and super unfortunate. In bad neighborhoods, success in school is mocked. "Acting white", or "talking white" (speaking proper English) is often avoided by kids who have otherwise good intentions.

This coupled with the fact that 75% of black children are raised without a father creates a recipe for total disaster. Why is there an inherent breakdown of family structure in the African American community? What's the answer? I have no idea.
It's those liberal apologists who decide because we owned them as slaves 100 years ago that it is OK for them to act like savages now and not have to have any responsibilities. They just gave the fish rather than teach how to fish.
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Education is there for the taking...if you WANT it. The Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, etc. immigrants that populated the Lower East Side 100+ years ago didn't have to be told twice what their way out of the ghetto was. They knew as little ones.

When getting good grades is called "acting white", you know we have a looooong way to go toward convincing some ppl that education is the path to the middle class

Not exactly, it took a lot of these immigrants, especially the Italians, to rise up and get an educaton. There was a stat as late as the 1930s that said 40% of all Italians dropped out of school. This was when Italians were starting to arrive in the 1880s.

Still these new immigrants, many of them, are educating themselves at increasing rates.

However because of poverty, it takes much longer.
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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Not exactly, it took a lot of these immigrants, especially the Italians, to rise up and get an educaton. There was a stat as late as the 1930s that said 40% of all Italians dropped out of school. This was when Italians were starting to arrive in the 1880s.

Still these new immigrants, many of them, are educating themselves at increasing rates.

However because of poverty, it takes much longer.
Gee. Even Newark has a public school system where an education is there for the taking. It may not be the best, but I knew quite a few people in college who emerged from Newark and did quite well.

I went through the schools in New Brunswick (parents left after I finished HS), and being white I was definitely a minority, and I got a free ride out of it. But even in these poor districts the education is there for the taking. It is up to the individual whether or not to pursue it.
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Old 06-18-2011, 05:56 AM
 
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Gee. Even Newark has a public school system where an education is there for the taking. It may not be the best, but I knew quite a few people in college who emerged from Newark and did quite well.

I went through the schools in New Brunswick (parents left after I finished HS), and being white I was definitely a minority, and I got a free ride out of it. But even in these poor districts the education is there for the taking. It is up to the individual whether or not to pursue it.
But that's the thing. Education doesn't start at schools. It starts at home. And unfortunately for some children they have to be the "parent" of a drug addict or alcoholic. Also some parents are just too busy trying to make ends meet to try to "educate" their children. Some have to work two or three jobs just to be able to provide.
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Old 06-18-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Newark is a war-zone, some who live there have referred to it as "Afghanistan". I can not even imagine living in an enviroment such as that ... I'd rather work 3 jobs to afford living in a safer place. Personally, I wouldn't even travel near there during the day.
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Old 06-18-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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That is really true, and super unfortunate. In bad neighborhoods, success in school is mocked. "Acting white", or "talking white" (speaking proper English) is often avoided by kids who have otherwise good intentions.

This coupled with the fact that 75% of black children are raised without a father creates a recipe for total disaster. Why is there an inherent breakdown of family structure in the African American community? What's the answer? I have no idea.
start punishing ppl for having kids outside marriages???? restrict child support money to be used only for certain things with legal consequences for using funds otherwise. Reform welfare system so women get no incentives to drop random babies without completing education at a university. Make it hard to create a disasterous family structure demonize it effecively. Punish drug addicts hard keep kids out of those families
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