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Old 05-31-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Halfull, katenj and tahiti pretty much said everything I wanted to say. Bad jobs and extra tax.

Great way to spin it though Mr. Christie!
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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So this is being paid for by NJ consumers and customers by now having to pay the Sales Tax on Amazon purchases beginning whatever date they claim.
Whatever it is, it is coming out of our pockets.
you were always required to pay sales tax, if you did not, you were cheating the state and lying on your tax return. So the only people being punished are cheaters and liars, no?

This gets the rich more since they buy more, isn't that what everyone wanted?
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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This gets the rich more since they buy more, isn't that what everyone wanted?
Proportionally poor and middle class people buy more and inject more into the economy, as well as spend a much bigger percentage of their incomes.

Rich people just buy more expensive items. Not many jobs created by buying a $100 million painting.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:58 AM
 
Location: NJ
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So this is being paid for by NJ consumers and customers by now having to pay the Sales Tax on Amazon purchases beginning whatever date they claim.
Whatever it is, it is coming out of our pockets.
In theory, NJ residents were supposed to declare those purchases on their tax return and then pay the tax.

Of course that never happens, but it makes it a hard argument.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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This is just as bad as pumping up that Xanadu complex , Corporate welfare should only be used to attract companies to cities undergoing Urban Renewal and to large companies who pay more then the minimum wage.... Wheres the tax cuts for small business which seem to be out doing large business in this state....? I think the economy would grow faster if we gave tax breaks for the small business community.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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Job creation is not really a bad thing but what are you giving up in return for Amazon to set this shop up here and the type of jobs we're getting in return. Big chunk of Amazon's payroll is in Seattle where their HQ is located at. Seattle is also the location where majority of their highly paid folks are at.

So in long run of things, construction jobs and such are all temporary, and in the end, NJ is going to end up with hourly wage folks and some supervisor roles.

Jobs this deal created is going to help out some lower class folks but it won't be anytime soon and it won't really help boost the economy for long-term as most of benefits will come from short burst of construction project itself...

Dumb deal in my opinion.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:48 AM
 
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Just about every state is enamored with corporate welfare, which (like public financing of sports teams) rarely pays off in the long run for anyone but the owners. Here's an article of how former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling got the state of RI to bend over backwards for his video game company:

High-risk video game venture has Rhode Island, Curt Schilling reeling - The Boston Globe
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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Jobs like these aren't going to save NJ's economy or middle class:

Study finds workers in N.J. supply chain warehouses experience wage theft, discriminatory hiring | NJ.com

"A New Jersey labor organization that represents immigrants and a Harvard University graduate student yesterday released a survey that shows the men and women who work in the state’s supply chain warehouses experience wage theft, unsafe job conditions and discriminatory hiring.
The state’s logistics sector, largely based in the big warehouses off Turnpike exit 8A in southern Middlesex County, handled 3 million shipping containers of cargo from Port of Newark/Elizabeth in 2010, the study said. There, workers prepare freight to travel on trains or in trucks to their final destinations.
Harvard student Jason Rowe worked with New Labor, a group that represents more than 2,000 immigrant workers statewide, and interviewed 291 people who worked at these distribution centers from November 2011 to February 2012. They found that 61 percent work full-time hours after being hired as temporary employees through staffing agencies.
Those surveyed make an average of $8.26 per hour. Agency workers reported earning an average of $1 less than their direct-hire counterparts."
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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Yeah, because everyone does THAT!
That's one of the problems this will solve.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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There are a variety of amazon-like websites out there that will not have the nexus issues that Amazon now has. It's going to be difficult for them to stay competitive within this state when their prices will be 7% higher than online retailers who aren't required to collect sales tax on the states behalf.

I think this is a smart long-term strategy for Amazon since eventually all online retailers will be required to collect sales tax for the states to which they ship goods, but in the short term I for one will continue to seek the best total price for a product(base price+tax+shipping) and I doubt that will continue to be Amazon.
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