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I hope for your sake, you're never on trial and need 12 people who believe in you to be innocent.
i hope for any innocent person's sake that their life isnt put in the hands of 12 weekend warrior law "experts." its too important of a position to be left in the hands of total amateurs.
i hope for any innocent person's sake that their life isnt put in the hands of 12 weekend warrior law "experts." its too important of a position to be left in the hands of total amateurs.
It's a bad situation, but it beats putting the decision in the hands of jaded "professionals" who think everyone's guilty.
I think it is definitely a cumulative thing. At some point people lose hope.
You can link all of the recent shootings to this
Batman shooter- Brilliant guy, college degree, studying to be a doctor, working at Mcdonalds
Sikh shooter- lost his house due to foreclosure. unemployed even though he had some skills which should be able to land him a job
Empire State- guy was laid off from his job and was unemployed
Pathmark- guy would have lost his job the next day and was facing unknown prospects
Holmes was working at the McDonalds right after he graduated college but was not working there when he enrolled for his PhD. He spent less than a year looking for a job post-bachelors, if he was even looking.
Empire State shooter was clearly unhinged because he was starting stuff with his ex-boss after he was let go. He was unhinged and focusing all of his rage on one target.
Do you have a cite that the Pathmark shooter was losing his job the next day? I haven't seen that.
Sikh shooter- lost his house due to foreclosure. unemployed even though he had some skills which should be able to land him a job
The guy who wreaked havoc at the Sikh Temple was also an avowed White Supremacist, of many years' standing. Do you seriously think that his racial biases had nothing to do with his violent behavior?
The guy who wreaked havoc at the Sikh Temple was also an avowed White Supremacist, of many years' standing. Do you seriously think that his racial biases had nothing to do with his violent behavior?
Not only that, a simple Google even before the shootings would have turned up his background - any hiring manager worth their salt would have gone to the next applicant.
The point is, you cannot blame a weak economy on what the Aurora shooter, the Sikh Temple shooter, or the Old Bridge shooter causing them to "snap".
Some people are just wired wrong and this becomes evident if a hiring manager is talking to them. Normal, educated people say the dumbest things that can disqualify them during interviews, could you IMAGINE what someone who has mental issues could say?
Although with Holmes, there's a disconnect between people who interacted with him socially. The U of Colorado psychiatrist knew he had major major problems, but the people who hung around Holmes on a social level saw nothing wrong and saw him as a quiet, friendly person. Who knows.
As for the Empire State shooter - he had been out of work for a year, causing problems with his ex-boss even after he was let go, and I believe he was let go BECAUSE he had major issues with his boss. You don't even know if he was looking for a job.
(which brings me to my other point - although the economy is bad and it's really easy to point the finger, you don't know if any of these people were even looking for jobs or ways to better themselves.)
which brings me to my other point - although the economy is bad and it's really easy to point the finger, you don't know if any of these people were even looking for jobs or ways to better themselves.
In the case of the guy who murdered the Sikhs in their temple, he was apparently trying to "better himself" by preaching hatred via his rock music.
As you said, someone who is unhinged is just...unhinged...and to attribute every violent act to the economy is to ignore one of the realities of life, namely that we have always had insane people with violent tendencies amongst us. The difference in recent years seems to be that more and more of them now see fit to take others with them in public displays of violence when they finally melt down.
Trying to find any logic in violent acts perpetrated by insane people is frequently a fruitless task. Take the case of George Metesky, "The Mad Bomber" of the '40s & '50s. He placed time-bombs in NYC public places (bus terminals, movie theaters, etc) over a period of many years, killing a number of people.
When Metesky was finally apprehended, it turned out that his motivation for these acts was that he had been terminated several years previously by Consolidated Edison. What did the placement of these time-bombs in public places have to do with Con Edison? He explained that it was because those facilities purchased their electricity from Con Ed!
I guess that his motivation may have made sense to an insane person, but for everyone else, they were just left scratching their heads in puzzlement at his explanation.
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This latest attempt at violence was averted--thank God--by two women, but the perp clearly had more than alcohol clouding his thought process.
He must be either bat-sh*t crazy, or perhaps was under the influence of some kind of drug, like the Camden woman who decapitated her son recently: Police: Glen Rock mom, grandma tackle man who tried to throw kids in front of train | NJ.com
This latest attempt at violence was averted--thank God--by two women, but the perp clearly had more than alcohol clouding his thought process.
He must be either bat-sh*t crazy, or perhaps was under the influence of some kind of drug, like the Camden woman who decapitated her son recently: Police: Glen Rock mom, grandma tackle man who tried to throw kids in front of train | NJ.com
Another nut job. Put him in jail or a nut house for 20 years.
In just the last week - mom decapitates child in Camden, another nut slashes 2 kids in Camden, one dies. Now a nut almost pushes 2 kids on the RR tracks in Ramsey.
We're losing it.
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