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Michele Bachmann was a front-runner at one time too.
...as were Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, & Newt Gingrich.
Being ahead in the early stages of the 2012 primary contests didn't amount to a hill of beans for any of them in the long run, and being ahead (in theory) this far ahead of actual primaries & state caucuses is not at all significant.
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Originally Posted by CaptainNJ
if the tea party has the house & senate
In case you hadn't noticed, the Tea Party has not been doing well in recent elections.
Or, did you not notice how, "The Cooch", lost the VA Gubernatorial election to a Democrat who is...by most accounts...a total sleazebag?
When given the choice between a sleazebag and teabags, the VA voters chose sleaze, so that should give you some idea of how tea party candidates will fare against a worthy opponent.
Also, a recent column by The Star-Ledger's conservative/Libertarian columnist, Paul Mulshine, predicted doom for the Tea Party, just like a Tea Party affiliation doomed the candidacy of Steve Lonegan.
Take a look at: After Tuesday, it's time for the tea party to leave | NJ.com
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McCain won in 2008 by being the moderate alternative
Romney won in 2012 by being the moderate alternative
Giuliani comparisons are numerous, but that does not make them fitting. The NJ Governor has been married to the same woman since college. He's not twice-divorced or pro-choice.
Just because a person acts like a bully doesn't make them a leader. He is a self-serving, greedy, politician, not a leader.
He has done nothing for NJ!
Amazing how so many people are fooled by a persona, yet do not look at substance. Sickening really, and fundamentally the reason we favor reality stars and athletes over innovators and scientists. Our world is full of morons that are easily fooled.
Oops...I thought you were referring to Obama because that's how I feel about him!
The 2 "moderates" were both very weak candidates, but even if they were strong, they would have still lost. After Bush's second term, there was enough GOP fatigue to last 2 election cycles. I think a "moderate" republican stands a fair chance of winning next time around. Nominating true social conservative is a sure fire way to guarantee a loss. The country has moved past that, and nobody wants another bible thumper in the white house. The only chance they have of winning is with a fiscally conservative, socially "moderate" candidate. This creates a huge challenge in the primary where bible belt republicans have so much influence. If the choice is between Hillary and a social conservative, Hillary will win by a landslide.
I remember when I was in college, a democrat friend was a big fan of McCain. a lot of them liked McCain. of course, none of them voted for McCain when he ran for president. a lot of republicans seem to think that they should run a candidate that appeals to people that will never vote for the republican.
its also a shame that people have labeled the tea party as extreme and even worse that people think they tea party is a bunch of bible thumpers. the tea party is a fiscally conservative entity, it doesn't deal with the social issues. the tea party can put forward a fiscal conservative that isn't a bible thumper and he can win. I think they have a better shot next round with guys like rand paul, ted cruz and marco Rubio than they did with poor candidates like rick santorum, herman cain and michelle bachman.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Tea Party has not been doing well in recent elections.
Or, did you not notice how, "The Cooch", lost the VA Gubernatorial election to a Democrat who is...by most accounts...a total sleazebag?
When given the choice between a sleazebag and teabags, the VA voters chose sleaze, so that should give you some idea of how tea party candidates will fare against a worthy opponent.
Also, a recent column by The Star-Ledger's conservative/Libertarian columnist, Paul Mulshine, predicted doom for the Tea Party, just like a Tea Party affiliation doomed the candidacy of Steve Lonegan.
Take a look at: After Tuesday, it's time for the tea party to leave | NJ.com
cuccinelli came within 2.5 points in the VA governor race. Virginia just has too many parasites in the north (right next to dc). even still, if there was another couple of weeks of obamacare failing he may have pulled it off. he also may have had a better shot if the Christie and other establishment politicians would have assisted. you also had a democrat funded libertarian in the race to steal cuccinelli votes. i think it was a pretty good showing, a win would have been sweeter though.
the tea party isn't going anywhere. if obamacare continues along the same path for the next year, the tea party will have the senate in 2014. you don't really need most members to be proclaimed tea party guys; if the republicans win the senate the tea party guys will be the ones calling the shots. obamacare delivered the tea party the house, it should deliver them the senate in 2014.
"There are 53 Democratic, 45 Republican and 2 Independent senators. 33 are up for election this year as members of the class 2 Senators, and two are up for special elections (both from class 3). Among the seats up for election in 2014, currently, there are 21 held by Democrats and 14 held by Republicans."
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its also a shame that people have labeled the tea party as extreme and even worse that people think they tea party is a bunch of bible thumpers. the tea party is a fiscally conservative entity, it doesn't deal with the social issues.
Clearly, you did not look at some of Cuccinelli's platform positions.
He most definitely was trying to convince voters to vote for him on the basis of, "social issues".
Clearly, you did not look at some of Cuccinelli's platform positions.
He most definitely was trying to convince voters to vote for him on the basis of, "social issues".
I agree!
They are going nowhere!
im not sure why you would say something so silly. the tea party doesn't deal with social issues. that doesn't mean that their candidates don't have positions on social issues. a tea party candidate can be socially conservative, moderate or even liberal on some issues. its not mandated by the tea party.
well, we can pretend that they don't already control the house but they do. im pretty sure the democrats are plenty worried about the senate in 2014.
well, we can pretend that they don't already control the house but they do.
No, actually, John Boehner has allowed approximately 20 teabaggers to intimidate him to the point that he is afraid of losing his Speaker's position. Once Boehner relocates his cohones, he can stand up to that minority w/in his party.
No, actually, John Boehner has allowed approximately 20 teabaggers to intimidate him to the point that he is afraid of losing his Speaker's position. Once Boehner relocates his cohones, he can stand up to that minority w/in his party.
did this post really mean anything? regardless of your Boehner line above; you are basically agreeing with me that the tea party controls the house. trying to deflect it with some worthless attack on Boehner doesn't change anything. instead of starting your post with "no" you should have said "yes, but its because Boehner . . ."
you are not going to see any anti-tea party progress as long as obamacare causes health insurance premiums to shoot up, people to lose health plans and millions of full time workers moved to part time. this next year is going to be painful for americans, but will improve tea party prospect in 2014.
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