Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-14-2020, 07:48 PM
 
652 posts, read 523,298 times
Reputation: 575

Advertisements

Since the start of 2020, my commute has felt like being packed in a sardine can. When I look at other trains I see the same thing. Everyone is jampacked in. What's going on?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-14-2020, 08:18 PM
 
10,224 posts, read 19,238,405 times
Reputation: 10897
I missed my train home Monday because there was literally no room. Not only packed like a sardine can but lots of people standing around on the platform. What it amounts to is New Jersey Transit has no idea how to run a railroad. They can't hire engineers, they can't keep their equipment working (leaving it on tidal flats during Sandy was an especially nice touch, I think they only caught up with that last year), and they can't keep their trackage in good condition or signals working. If it was better at the end of 2019, it's because people were off for the holidays. Add to that that they can't run enough trains because there's no less than three bottlenecks (North River Tunnels, Penn Station platform space, and the Portal Bridge), and you've a problem.

Since the system is at capacity, one little thing going wrong causes cascading problems. And things always go wrong, because NJT is incompetent.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 06:44 AM
 
538 posts, read 734,867 times
Reputation: 535
So far this week three of my trains have been cancelled and doubled up with another train making extra stops. While I've had that happen more often than it should happening three times in two days was certainly something beyond what I expect from even NJT.

We keep passing milestones where it should have gotten better (after summer of hell, after recent engineer graduations) but it only gets worse. I'm riding in from one of the top 10 stations by ridership so it's not like I'm riding in from somewhere strange.

I'm sure NJT has plans, but I haven't seen any signs that there's any reason to trust that their plans have the intended affect.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 08:12 AM
 
Location: NYC
20,550 posts, read 17,744,059 times
Reputation: 25616
I don't like the way they've scheduled trains. Somebody who does scheduling should be fired. In the morning there are some schedule like around 6:50am and 7am trains that are within 10 min from the next train. The 7am train is not packed usually 1/2 empty. Then at the peak time such as 7:30am they have a huge 25min gap for the next at 7:55am. Most people take the 730am and not the 755am. Because they should run another damn train around 7:45am and then 7:55am. The huge gap causes people to crowd up during the peak times.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 09:28 AM
 
Location: NJ
4,940 posts, read 12,159,315 times
Reputation: 4562
Quote:
Originally Posted by vision33r View Post
I don't like the way they've scheduled trains. Somebody who does scheduling should be fired. In the morning there are some schedule like around 6:50am and 7am trains that are within 10 min from the next train. The 7am train is not packed usually 1/2 empty. Then at the peak time such as 7:30am they have a huge 25min gap for the next at 7:55am. Most people take the 730am and not the 755am. Because they should run another damn train around 7:45am and then 7:55am. The huge gap causes people to crowd up during the peak times.
You are oversimplifying things. Each individual train does not run in a vacuum. The schedule of one train is dependent on the schedule of all other trains running in the system. The tracks are shared by other NJT trains as well as Amtrak trains so there has to be spacing available. There also has to be a platform available at Penn for the train to arrive at, so you have to consider the departure time of the other trains leaving Penn. It is all much more complicated to coordinate than you perceive it to be.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 11:49 AM
 
538 posts, read 734,867 times
Reputation: 535
To be honest, if anything they probably need to run less trains. They're obviously past capacity. I know changing the schedule by anything other than a minute here and there is obviously a big deal to an affected town, but their schedule as it is is impossible.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 12:28 PM
 
Location: NYC
20,550 posts, read 17,744,059 times
Reputation: 25616
Quote:
Originally Posted by ansky View Post
You are oversimplifying things. Each individual train does not run in a vacuum. The schedule of one train is dependent on the schedule of all other trains running in the system. The tracks are shared by other NJT trains as well as Amtrak trains so there has to be spacing available. There also has to be a platform available at Penn for the train to arrive at, so you have to consider the departure time of the other trains leaving Penn. It is all much more complicated to coordinate than you perceive it to be.
My point is they are scheduling trains that do not reflect the schedule that people use the system. They are being inefficient and inconsiderate. I wait for the trains all the time and I see under-utilized trains and over capacity trains at the same time slots.

There are Northeast coastline trains that are under capacity that has the double deckers. Yet there are NJCL trains just 2mins apart that are packed and using crappy undersized diesel trains.

They should give the schedule and line the trains that can handle the load and not give some lines over capacity trains.

The scheduling is the other problem where they often run 4-6 trains during peak than carry 7-8 trains behind it and is only half used.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Earth
7,643 posts, read 6,490,104 times
Reputation: 5828
I wrote to all NJ officials about my NJ transit.


Murphy reffered me to NJ Transit. Bucco actually responded. Booker was too busy trying to be president. No other responses so far.


The basic answer was they have no money.


I think we need to stop going to war and pay for infrastructure instead like passenger rail service.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2020, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
88,673 posts, read 84,974,162 times
Reputation: 115237
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy View Post
I wrote to all NJ officials about my NJ transit.


Murphy reffered me to NJ Transit. Bucco actually responded. Booker was too busy trying to be president. No other responses so far.


The basic answer was they have no money.


I think we need to stop going to war and pay for infrastructure instead like passenger rail service
.
Why that's just crazy talk!
__________________
Moderator posts are in RED.
City-Data Terms of Service: //www.city-data.com/terms.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2020, 07:42 AM
 
5,307 posts, read 6,199,136 times
Reputation: 5494
The platform and train crowding could be due to various problems causing delays through the 110 year old "north river tunnels" or the portal bridges or a "frozen" switch somewhere on the line or a defect in a train car wheel causing rail traffic to stop, etc.


The whole system is in dire need of a major upgrading including new tunnels and the replacement of the portal bridges. The money just isn't available to do what's needed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:31 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top