Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-09-2010, 10:29 PM
 
1 posts, read 2,240 times
Reputation: 10

Advertisements

I am a tenured middle school reading teacher with a k-12 certificate in a New Jersey school district. The district may be eliminating my postion due to a rif. I am also certified as an elementary k-8 teacher as well however, I have never taught elementary in this district. Am I entitled to bump an elementary teacher, tenured or not with less service in the district?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-10-2010, 07:00 AM
 
1,931 posts, read 3,413,584 times
Reputation: 956
Quote:
Originally Posted by sima-12 View Post
I am a tenured middle school reading teacher with a k-12 certificate in a New Jersey school district. The district may be eliminating my postion due to a rif. I am also certified as an elementary k-8 teacher as well however, I have never taught elementary in this district. Am I entitled to bump an elementary teacher, tenured or not with less service in the district?
If they rif your position, you would then bump out the lowest teacher in the your area(s) of certification. So its quite possible you will be teaching elementary grades next year.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
249 posts, read 753,890 times
Reputation: 279
Quote:
Originally Posted by todd72173 View Post
My parents were not teachers, or any close relatives or friends. Thats why I cant take 'advantage; of the system to become a teacher myself. Sorry, I believe in hiring people for what they know, not who you know.
My parents weren't teachers either. No close friends or relatives either. I got my job by sending out resumes and going on interviews. I ended up getting a job in an urban area of NJ, which wasn't my first choice at the time, but it was an offer so I took it. I've been there 10 years because I work hard and I realize how much I am needed by the students I teach.

I know my story is not the norm. I know in my school alone that many people were hired simply because of who they know. Many are alternate route "teachers" without any training but are relatives or friends. Those are the people that give the rest of us the bad name.

Honestly, I couldn't care less what people think of teachers. I do my job and I do it well. I am by no means overpaid. People think they can judge teachers because they were a student at one time or they have kids in school and they "think" they know it all.

Tenure is in place because sometimes you get people in administration that think they are bigger than they really are. They bully some staff for reasons unrelated to classroom performance because they think they can.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
2,510 posts, read 3,976,364 times
Reputation: 621
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Chutzpah View Post
Are teaching jobs in NJ safe in this recession because of the NJEA, or not?

Anyone hear of teachers getting the ax

If you have the same amount of students how can you have less teachers ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
2,771 posts, read 6,275,311 times
Reputation: 606
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFan View Post
If you have the same amount of students how can you have less teachers ?
you could increase class sizes. However, that's not likely to fly.

Education is a good industry to be in during a down turn. It doesn't shrink, if anything demand for education increases (because no-one is leaving school to find work)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 03:04 PM
 
1,931 posts, read 3,413,584 times
Reputation: 956
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFan View Post
If you have the same amount of students how can you have less teachers ?

What I think they will do is pile in 30 to 35 kids per classroom and cut a good amount of teachers. If money is more important then education, I say go ahead and do it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 03:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
2,510 posts, read 3,976,364 times
Reputation: 621
Quote:
Originally Posted by elflord1973 View Post
you could increase class sizes. However, that's not likely to fly.
exactly
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 03:40 PM
 
1,931 posts, read 3,413,584 times
Reputation: 956
What wouldnt fly? Most people in the state have no clue what goes on in education other then in their little suburban town. Most problems in education are in urban cities where parental apathy is systemic. Dont be surprised to see huge classroom sizes in the the "inner" cities here in NJ.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
2,510 posts, read 3,976,364 times
Reputation: 621
Quote:
Originally Posted by bababua View Post
What wouldnt fly? Most people in the state have no clue what goes on in education other then in their little suburban town. Most problems in education are in urban cities where parental apathy is systemic. Dont be surprised to see huge classroom sizes in the the "inner" cities here in NJ.
Mod cut Even a state thats often bashed for its eduaction system like Florida the maximum amount of students you can have in an elementary K-3 class is 18 and 4-6 class is 22. Bottom line is a teacher just can't handle more than that and be effective, especcially with all the inclusions students in a room now. 35 students in a class is sheer nonsense.

Last edited by Viralmd; 02-10-2010 at 06:21 PM.. Reason: Personal attack
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-10-2010, 08:13 PM
 
1,931 posts, read 3,413,584 times
Reputation: 956
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFan View Post
Mod cut Even a state thats often bashed for its eduaction system like Florida the maximum amount of students you can have in an elementary K-3 class is 18 and 4-6 class is 22. Bottom line is a teacher just can't handle more than that and be effective, especcially with all the inclusions students in a room now. 35 students in a class is sheer nonsense.
Check out some urban areas of NJ and tell me your numbers add up. Honestly you are 110% wrong. I know classrooms with 28 to 30 kids right here in NJ.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top