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Old 01-14-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: NJ
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also, a serious question - how do you implement merit pay? how on earth can you possibly compare a teacher in a bad school in newark to a teacher in a wealthy suburb like millburn?

hate to say it, but typical christie - big on rhetoric, light on details.

 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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One thing at a time, T- one thing at a time. Until he gets a leash around the NJEA, you won't see any consolidation because too many $200k/year superintendents wouldn't be needed anymore.
oh! we're supposed to give him TIME? how long? I'm so conditioned at a national level that I didn't realize we need to give our elected officials the luxury of time.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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It would seem to me the opposite, for if you work, you are therefore employed. Democrats want to continue to raise the income tax. You rarely find an individual Democrat politician that wants to cut the income tax. Therefore, I would associate a political movement that seeks to confiscate more dollars from your paycheck to be the enemy of those work. Now, if you are a welfare careerist, then I would think the Democrat party would be your friend.
GOP are for cutting income tax. Unfortunately, they more often than not lack the courage to match those tax cuts with spending cuts, preferring instead to defer the burden of funding government to future generations.

Also, your analysis is a little simplistic. There are some uses of tax dollars that clearly would benefit at least some working people.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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also, a serious question - how do you implement merit pay? how on earth can you possibly compare a teacher in a bad school in newark to a teacher in a wealthy suburb like millburn?

hate to say it, but typical christie - big on rhetoric, light on details.
The better question is really "how do we compare a good teacher in Newark to a bad teacher in Millburn?", since one is working hard in a tough environment, while the other skates along in a cushy spot for equal or better pay.

That said, I'd think the $$ would have to be doled out to each school district to distribute amongst its teachers, rather than having a state-wide pool that everyone is compensated from together. The latter conccept would lead to the NJEA just lavishing the funds on their cronies.

There was a story in the AJC this morning about merit-pay down here too, but I haven't had a chance to dig into it yet. This seems to be something needed country-wide.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:24 AM
 
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The better question is really "how do we compare a good teacher in Newark to a bad teacher in Millburn?", since one is working hard in a tough environment, while the other skates along in a cushy spot for equal or better pay.

That said, I'd think the $$ would have to be doled out to each school district to distribute amongst its teachers, rather than having a state-wide pool that everyone is compensated from together. The latter conccept would lead to the NJEA just lavishing the funds on their cronies.

There was a story in the AJC this morning about merit-pay down here too, but I haven't had a chance to dig into it yet. This seems to be something needed country-wide.
We could get rid of the closed shop and let any qualified teacher seek employment in the school system. Competition works for every other industry, why shouldn't it work for teachers? I don't see why you have to be a part of any union to teach children effectively. In a free country, all organizational memberships should be voluntary, including membership in the teachers union.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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The Republicans are the enemy of the working class people? What Kool Aid are you drinking...You are
probably a Union member who have also ruined the state in my opinion....Get on the bread line like
everyone else, the Democrats have ruined this state for far too many decades....It's disgusting, Read up
on the history of N.J. politics especially Hudson County with an open mind and you decide.....by the way,
I'm an independent.....
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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The better question is really "how do we compare a good teacher in Newark to a bad teacher in Millburn?", since one is working hard in a tough environment, while the other skates along in a cushy spot for equal or better pay.
That said, I'd think the $$ would have to be doled out to each school district to distribute amongst its teachers, rather than having a state-wide pool that everyone is compensated from together. The latter conccept would lead to the NJEA just lavishing the funds on their cronies.

There was a story in the AJC this morning about merit-pay down here too, but I haven't had a chance to dig into it yet. This seems to be something needed country-wide.
Good question!!
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Forest Hills
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oh! we're supposed to give him TIME? how long? I'm so conditioned at a national level that I didn't realize we need to give our elected officials the luxury of time.
You could at least wait until he officially takes office before saying he's not doing things fast enough....... just a thought.......
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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also, a serious question - how do you implement merit pay? how on earth can you possibly compare a teacher in a bad school in newark to a teacher in a wealthy suburb like millburn?

hate to say it, but typical christie - big on rhetoric, light on details.
I'm so hoping he isn't yet another wind bag. I do like his choice with Bret and think had he been elected to a second term in JC he would have made an impact. Hard to clean up decades of messes in one term.

Go get em Bret!!
 
Old 01-14-2010, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I'm so hoping he isn't yet another wind bag. I do like his choice with Bret and think had he been elected to a second term in JC he would have made an impact. Hard to clean up decades of messes in one term.

Go get em Bret!!

Then why all the venom for Corzine? (rhetorical question, it's off topic).
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