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To that point, I don’t think it’s fair for a couple, married or not, to win a 2 bedroom apt. If you plan to sleep in the same bed, there is no reason why a couple should have an extra bedroom, unless they are expecting. There are so many families out there who could really benefit from a 2 bedroom, not a couple who just wants an office or something. Seems like not all lotteries follow this rule but it’s just what I believe to be fair.
I'm am pretty sure this is the policy, not to say there are never exceptions or mistakes.
Unless the 2 adults are a parent and an adult child, a couple would not qualify for a 2br. I'm not sure how "roommates" that *can* show interdependance, like maybe a pair of adult siblings that want to live together and have joint accounts, are handled. I would think it would depend on the agency and how the documentation shakes out. The HPD review is supposed to catch these kinds of issues and make sure the rules are followed.
Two people can get a two-bedroom now, but since this is a re-rental, there may be older rules at play.
If they are 2 adults though I believe they have to show the interdependance. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 2 adults who are a couple or a non-couple that can't prove they are a "household" in some real sense will be able to get a 2br lottery apartment together.
If they are 2 adults though I believe they have to show the interdependance. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 2 adults who are a couple or a non-couple that can't prove they are a "household" in some real sense will be able to get a 2br lottery apartment together.
MMMM I am really not sure the rules but I am talking only to my experience. We have 0 interdependence other than we started living together in 2021. No joint accounts, assets or anything like that, and we got the two bedroom.
MMMM I am really not sure the rules but I am talking only to my experience. We have 0 interdependence other than we started living together in 2021. No joint accounts, assets or anything like that, and we got the two bedroom.
Not denying your experience, but that would be not the proper procedure. Per HPD:
"Household" at admission shall mean (i) a single person, or (ii) two or more
persons who:
a. are Immediate Family Members;
b. are Extended Family Members who need to live together in order to
support one another with respect to finances, child care, eldercare,
medical care, or other extenuating family circumstance, as indicated
by self-certifications explaining the family circumstances and needs;
or
c. are financially interdependent, as indicated by (i) current leases or
utility records demonstrating a shared address, or (ii) documentation,
such as bank accounts, demonstrating shared assets
If you did not meet these criteria, you were likely incorrectly found eligible. Note that a current shared lease would show interdependence so that may have been how they processed you.
Not denying your experience, but that would be not the proper procedure. Per HPD:
"Household" at admission shall mean (i) a single person, or (ii) two or more
persons who:
a. are Immediate Family Members;
b. are Extended Family Members who need to live together in order to
support one another with respect to finances, child care, eldercare,
medical care, or other extenuating family circumstance, as indicated
by self-certifications explaining the family circumstances and needs;
or
c. are financially interdependent, as indicated by (i) current leases or
utility records demonstrating a shared address, or (ii) documentation,
such as bank accounts, demonstrating shared assets
If you did not meet these criteria, you were likely incorrectly found eligible. Note that a current shared lease would show interdependence so that may have been how they processed you.
Ah! I guess since we had a previous lease together then it works. But then I mean I guess then any two roommates would be able to do it no? just have to previously live together
Ah! I guess since we had a previous lease together then it works. But then I mean I guess then any two roommates would be able to do it no? just have to previously live together
I'm not sure. I think program is supposed to be designed for individuals and families, not roommates, but it may be that anyone who previously lived together could apply as a "household". I think it would depend on the agent and whether the applicants appealed a rejection, which might prompt HPD to clarify the rule.
What I meant was: look at the listings. A two-person household is a two-person household--*as long as they qualify AS A HOUSEHOLD*--and is eligible for a two-bedroom. It's not HPD's business to decide who should be sharing a bed with whom.
So,
2 randos who just met on the street = not a household = no apartment at all, much less a 2-bed
A parent and minor child, any age or sex = 2-person household, eligible for 2-bed
2 adults married to each other = 2-person household, eligible for 2-bed
These are the current rules, though. I think several years ago they were more restrictive.
What I meant was: look at the listings. A two-person household is a two-person household--*as long as they qualify AS A HOUSEHOLD*--and is eligible for a two-bedroom. It's not HPD's business to decide who should be sharing a bed with whom.
So,
2 randos who just met on the street = not a household = no apartment at all, much less a 2-bed
A parent and minor child, any age or sex = 2-person household, eligible for 2-bed
2 adults married to each other = 2-person household, eligible for 2-bed
These are the current rules, though. I think several years ago they were more restrictive.
I don't think anyone is denying these categories. But it seems 2 randos who are not related or a couple but are current roommates and can show a join lease, *might* be considered a household, thought I don't think that is the intent of the affordable housing program.
Unless I've misunderstood, I think people were saying that a married couple are not currently eligible for a 2-bed. They are.
I don't think a joint lease *in itself* will guarantee that an agency will find mutual financial interdependence. Usually roommates don't intermingle their finances that much beyond their joint responsibility for the rent. But if two unrelated, unromantically-involved people had been living together for a long time, sharing other accounts, supporting each other, they might (a "Golden Girls"-type situation). Easy to imagine two widows who were already good friends moving in together to save money and make looking after the household easier after their husbands died, for instance. No equitable reason they shouldn't qualify.
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