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Hip Hop was extracted from NYC by the ruling class media and turned into a means to spread degeneracy among the poor. While there is always a downward cultural pressure on the poor the media was able to use hip hop to spread the ruling class agenda among the poor. While in the past social convention was used to keep people on the strait and narrow path, now with media holding such sway over the masses social convention pushes people -through music/tv/film- towards degeneracy.
What started as party music was warped into something that represented the ideals of the ruling class. All the ideals of that class of people that George W. Bush grew up with became hip-hop ideals. Materialism, violence against the weak, violence against women, transient degenerate sex, drug dealing etc is what hip-hop now represents after being pushed through the ruling class cultural choke point. All the ruling class ideals became hip hops ideals and made ruling class culture fashionable among the poor. Hip-hop became the way to subvert the poor masses by injecting ruling class nihilism into working class American culture.
The reason why hip-hops pulls most of its inspiration from the South is that parts of the south represent the worst parts of American culture. The degenerate share cropper is what the ruling class wants as the icon for mass culture. Barely civilized, idolizes transient sex, glorifies violence, feeds on racial hatred. The ruling class loves to push this degenerate southern sharecropper ethos on all of us. That is why hip-hop migrated from its NYC origins to the south. The degenerate southern share cropper has more wide appeal than NYC dance music and represents a rejection of Christ the logos and the acceptance of ruling class enlightenment gnosticism with all of its violence of powerful over weak and rejection of Christian chastity for ruling class sexual decadence.
What started out as NYC youth culture was warped into a very refined form of ruling class social engineering. The current music that is created in ruling class music studios is a far departure from the dances, graffiti and raps we we did as kids in the early 1980's. We were centered on having good time and expressing ourselves. It was a positive thing. Now that the ruling class has annexed hip hop it is about killing our community, raping our sisters and selling ruling class drugs -likely from Afghanistan- to our brothers to kill them. Hip-hop became a way for the poor to accept the ruling class culture of death. The ruling class wars abroad against weak countries became the wars in the streets. By using hip=hop to sell violence and degenerate sex as a cultural aspiration the ruling class use of contraception and abortion became the working class acceptance of transient degenerate sex. You can see the connection in the 50% abortion rate among NYC blacks. Social engineering- which uses hip-hop had made the culture of death palatable for the poor.
Yes! You are correct. And what you had said about the time when back in the 80's there were graffitis and dances and other things besides that, rap later on that were took by the so-called artists that feed so much negativity to the people made it seem that acting "hard" and being "violent" was a lot better than having the people have a good life. It's like this; I watch movies like "Scent Of A Women", which movies like that have a true meaning. While others watch "gangsta" movies and make-fun of the movies I watch that has a TRUE MEANING of life.
In the first post I noticed Tim Dog with f.... compton, well f""" tim dog and whoever praises him
Regarding Hip Hop, there is still good artists everywhere, including NY, just disregard the radio, do yo own music search and ull be fine.
The dominant hip hop sound just moved to the south because NY was no longer innovating towards the end of the 90s. Originality will always capture people's attention in anything in life. People will always want new things all the time, whether it be music, clothes, gadgets, food etc. The southern sound was just something that sounded fresh and there were enough artists making popular commercial music that it became a consistent sound. Back in the 90s there were groups like Outkast, Heiro and Bone Thugs from other parts of the country, but there weren't enough other rappers in their regions to form a dominant, consistent sound.
That being said, Jay Z is still the best rapper out right now and he was one of the few New Yorker's that took the NY boom bap sound of the golden era to the next level. He made NY hip hop more conversational, intellectual and varied the rhyming patterns. Other rappers like Fabolous, Jadakiss, Dipset etc started to innovate around 2003 and you saw the shift back to the NY sound at that time.
Anyone who comes with something new and original is always gonna have the spotlight.
People quickly forget that New York started to represent a "status quo" in hip-hop; being that since it was the first it was also deemed the best and they stopped innovating, which is human behavior. Sad thing is that New York could not innovate in this day and age if they wanted to.
It's not just NYC that has fallen off in Hip Hop. The whole of Hip Hop from coast to coast isn't what it used to be. NYC produced the best Hip Hop in the 80's and 90's. I'm from the Bay and we always paid close attention to what was going on in New York because the Bay was really the first place to have a thriving Hip Hop scene after the East Coast (Oakland's own Too Short influenced everybody from NWA to Snoop to UGK to Jay-Z whether you like it or not). Although some NYers like to diss the West, Cali's imprint on Hip Hop is undeniable. After NY took the mainstream rap radar back to the East Coast after West Coast's dominance in the early 90's, NY rap's sound and lyrics began to reflect the same subjects and themes discussed in West Coast Gangsta Rap. Out West, we really liked Biggie's Ready To Die because it was a very West Coast sounding album. Many of the songs on that album were shoot em up bang bang or laying the mack down over beats with synthesizers ("Big Poppa" was a very Bay Area/Cali sounding record). These were very West Coast themes in Hip Hop. Even Puffy himself admitted that he wanted to make an "East Coast version of The Chronic with Ready to Die" in an interview. By that same token, East Coast people like Bay Area Rap that sounds like East Coast Hip Hop. Almost nobody listens to Hieroglyphics in the Bay but yet 93' Til Infinity by Souls of Mischief is lauded as an all-time classic by none other than Hip Hop critics living in NYC. Any time you bring up Bay Area Rap around people from the East Coast, Souls of Mischief 93' Til Infinity is the only song/album they give credit. That album was a standard early 90's East Coast sounding Jazz Rap record that was no different than any Tribe Called Quest or Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth record.
I think the problem is that Hip Hop needs to be taken back to a grassroots movement again. In the Bay, we've always sold tapes out of the back of our trunks and never dealt with major record labels. New York's underground mixtape circuit in the 90's was nothing short of legendary. The problem is today is that the powers that be at major record labels prepackage rappers a certain way and encourage them to conform to dumb musical stereotypes. People have been dumbed down in the past ten years by the declining lyrical content and subject matter in mainstream Hip Hop songs. People in NY need to start supporting independent Hip Hop more. Illmatic went wood when it first came out. Hundreds of thousands of people didn't hear Illmatic until after the year 2000 because that album didn't go Platinum until early last decade. There are millions of people in NY, somebody has some real sh*t to spit.
Well there are plenty of mixtapes to be found online. I also notice that mainstream rappers actually sound pretty good on their mixtapes. Underground is always the best, no matter how you look at it. Personally I think the Bay is the future right now; every artist with a good sound seems to come from the Bay and I don't hear anyone in NY with anything that tickles my eardrums anymore. It also seems that the rappers from the Bay that are making it, may have done so by watering down the sound, similiar to what typically happens with NY artists when they blow up.
You're exactly right. Lil B has a plethora of very deep songs where he addresses issues in society that aren't being talked about in mainstream rap. PLEASE listen to these songs because you will be surprised how good they are compared to his crap songs.
On this song he raps about the societal impact of the rapid advancement of technology and social media over the past ten or so years. Anybody with a Facebook or Twitter account or a computer with internet access (or anybody alive in America today that isn't homeless basically) can relate to what he is saying on this track:
Other songs like this, he is rapping about the very basis of thug mentality as well as society's inability to teach ordinary people what they need to know to survive and maintain:
Songs like this is he is trying to give inspiration to people just trying to do better:
Ultimately, Lil B makes crap songs like "Wonton Soup" and "Pretty Boy" because he knows that ignorance sells. It is no coincidence that his deep serious songs get under 250K views but his dumb Lil Wayne-esque songs get millions of view on Youtube. People eat up ignorance. It is a genius marketing plan and has him earning 30K a show and selling out shows in NYC. Lil B's ignorant songs are merely SNL parodies of the constant state of the rap game. Lil B says whatever he wants because he isn't signed to a major record label and doesn't have suits pulling his strings and telling him what he can and can't say or do. This is very much in the spirit of independent Hip Hop. People also need to get out of the fanboy mentality that anything released after 2001, isn't "real Hip Hop". As you can see here, Lil B has made some refreshing, highly intelligent, original socially-conscious songs with deep meaning, yet these songs and videos get much lower views compared to his stupid songs about oral sex and looking like Jesus. Who is the real idiot here? At the end of the day, Lil B is dope because he can go mainstream and back underground from one track to the next, create a national buzz without signing to a major record label that will rape his pockets, get co-signed by respected rappers from J-Cole to Cormega to Lupe Fiasco to Jay Electronica to Lil Wayne, sell out shows in NYC and run circles around the heads of non-rapping so-called "real Hip Hop" fans who have been brainwashed into Comic-Con-esque fanboy-dom. NY rappers in 2011 could take a page from Lil B's playbook.
The mainstream had come to that conclusion back in 97 after Biggie and Pac died. In fact, when Biggie and Pac were alive it was seen as a resusicitation of the rap game, who most music journalists had abandoned for greener pastures (rock was becoming interseting again), so after they died it was natural to assume that rap was over. This is one of the reasons why Jay-Z has become as popular as he has. I think most fanboys are really talking about anything after 1997, which is when music journalists jumped back on their bandwagon, lauding the premature death of hip-hop.
The way I see it, is that most people today had hopped on the Southern Rap banwagon. Majority of that is the beats, which means that most people today don't care about true skills anymore just the beats. They rather have quantity than QUALITY. And yes, as for Puff Daddy wanting to make Chronic Album from the East Coast. But don't forget that 2pac also wanted to have his own record company in New York before his death and one of his rappers in that record company was goin to be Biggie Smalls.
Southern rap is 90% beats, always has been, always will be. The few Southern artists that were lyricists, that did not have strong beats were slept on. I love Southern rap though, but I am from the Midwest, I like everything, including our own artists, like Kanye and Common. Not to take anything away from true lyricists, because I won't buy an album that doesn't have good lyrics, but I need some beats.
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