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Even if it wasn't, has anyone heard when it might reach the financial district? Wikipedia has Phase 1 being completed in 2016, but provides no dates for phases 2 through 4. Until it reaches downtown, there will be no relief from the crush of passengers at GCT trying to get onto the 4 and 5 trains.
No, it was a reference to the IND Second System. The plans were cancelled at the onset of WWII.
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Wikipedia has Phase 1 being completed in 2016, but provides no dates for phases 2 through 4. Until it reaches downtown, there will be no relief from the crush of passengers at GCT trying to get onto the 4 and 5 trains.
Not only are there no firm plans to complete the Second Avenue line beyond Phase One, there is no federal money allocated to do so. So it is possible nobody reading this thread will live to see the completion to the Financial District.
But assuming that only Phase One is built, a LOT of passenger pressure will be taken of Grand Central becasue those needing service to the East Side of the UES will either get on the Q train (the Second Avenue Subway) from the F train at 63rd, or else just continue up Second Avenue after riding from Lower Manhattan via the Q as it runs now.
If one is going to UPPER Manhattan or the Bronx, any changes needed from Q to 4 and 5 trains can be made at 125th.
No need for any transfers at Grand Central.
Bottleneck will be at 63rd at rush hour when a gazillion people from the F try to get onto already full Q trains. That's the reason for that humongous station deep in the bowels of the Earth (must be the deeepest in the City?)
Not only are there no firm plans to complete the Second Avenue line beyond Phase One, there is no federal money allocated to do so. So it is possible nobody reading this thread will live to see the completion to the Financial District.
But assuming that only Phase One is built, a LOT of passenger pressure will be taken of Grand Central becasue those needing service to the East Side of the UES will either get on the Q train (the Second Avenue Subway) from the F train at 63rd, or else just continue up Second Avenue after riding from Lower Manhattan via the Q as it runs now.
If one is going to UPPER Manhattan or the Bronx, any changes needed from Q to 4 and 5 trains can be made at 125th.
No need for any transfers at Grand Central.
Bottleneck will be at 63rd at rush hour when a gazillion people from the F try to get onto already full Q trains. That's the reason for that humongous station deep in the bowels of the Earth (must be the deeepest in the City?)
I think the deepest station is somewhere in Washington Heights. I think it's 181st Street on the (1).
I think the deepest station is somewhere in Washington Heights. I think it's 181st Street on the (1).
Have you DONE the 4 escalators down into the 63rd and Lex station? I may have done the 181st on the 1 (not sure, been to Washington Heights only once, perhaps 5 years ago) I don't recall it being as deep as the entrance to Hell for the F train. But perhaps I used another WH station.
You may be right though.
Anyone else care to compare the depth of the two stations?
(A subway trivia site says 191st on the 1&9 train is the deepest at 160 feet but since the 63rd St station is relatively new and the 9 train has not run for quite a while, that data might be old. I found better data indicating the Queens track at 63rd is 100 feet down, so checkmate is correct with the Washington Heights station. I've got to take a look sometime.))
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Have you DONE the 4 escalators down into the 63rd and Lex station? I may have done the 181st on the 1 (not sure, been to Washington Heights only once, perhaps 5 years ago) I don't recall it being as deep as the entrance to Hell for the F train. But perhaps I used another WH station.
You may be right though.
Anyone else care to compare the depth of the two stations?
(A subway trivia site says 191st on the 1&9 train is the deepest at 160 feet but since the 63rd St station is relatively new and the 9 train has not run for quite a while, that data might be old. I found better data indicating the Queens track at 63rd is 100 feet down, so checkmate is correct with the Washington Heights station. I've got to take a look sometime.))
191st Street is the deepest in the system at 180 feet. Lexington Avenue-63rd Street is 80 feet or 100 feet depending on Queens-bound or downtown.
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