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I seen what there doing to the subways today with putting commerial adverting painted outside the subway car. To be honest ill rather deal with graffiti because its part of city culture all now is $$ and in 70s & 80s people say its a annoying and destroying property. So tell me. How was your subway experiance from 70s 80s - present and your personal option with using trains as billboards.
The people who vandalized trains back in the 70s and 80s with graffiti were not "artists" contributing to "culture"; they were contemptible lowlife criminal scum. All that mess they placed all over every train contributed to a perception disorder and lack of control on the subway, which in turn led to an increase in crime. The elimination of crime in the subway is directly tied to the elimination of graffiti, and I am glad that we are rid of it.
If people are willing to pay the MTA money to place temporary advertisements on trains, and that extra money in the MTAs coffers results in either increased service or a delay in fare increases, then I'm all for it.
Ditto. I lived in NY from 1962 through 1974. I hated the graffiti, assorted smells, gropers, etc, in the Subway. And the possibility of having to move back (ie, job) is not a happy-making thing. BUT...I'd rather see a host of ads in the subway adding revenue to the coffers for city services for the general public good than graffiti from dolts who think their nicknames plastered across public surfaces is legitimate self-expression rather than vandalism and uglification of the public square.
Artists with real talent who use surfaces here and there for political or other pertinent self-expression are few --and generally would be lauded, I think, by NYers--compared to the vast numbers who can buy spray paint to show off to friends.
Ditto. I lived in NY from 1962 through 1974. I hated the graffiti, assorted smells, gropers, etc, in the Subway. And the possibility of having to move back (ie, job) is not a happy-making thing. BUT...I'd rather see a host of ads in the subway adding revenue to the coffers for city services for the general public good than graffiti from dolts who think their nicknames plastered across public surfaces is legitimate self-expression rather than vandalism and uglification of the public square.
Artists with real talent who use surfaces here and there for political or other pertinent self-expression are few --and generally would be lauded, I think, by NYers--compared to the vast numbers who can buy spray paint to show off to friends.
Do you remember the year when graffiti started to appear on trains? I have a picture from 1970 of the 2/5 train and it's still clean.
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