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Old 09-07-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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I don't think the diaspora of upward mobility is the root of your issue...remember, your family left PR, and all their own family and friends behind. Are you saying when the family left PR to NYC that "the family was torn apart due to upward mobility." I would say the family left for opportunities, and created a new family and life in NYC, which is what your other family members are doing in other parts of the country. It is normal, and a part of life...people create their own families and the cycle continues.

He is saying that the rich extended family network which was re created in NYC was "destroyed" when family members moved apart. To the extent that subsequent generations do not know their extended family the way his extended family did.

This however is happening all over and there is little than can be done about bit. People barely have time to deal with their own core family, much less the extended networks.

Sad but this is a reality. The down side of this is when tragedy hits, extended unemployment or serious illnesses, or as they age, people do not have the support systems that this extended family once provided.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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But the truth is the prior rich original family network which was in PR was also destroyed when they left to NYC...but in that supposed destruction came a new and great rich family network in NYC..and the cycle repeats itself in all the new locations where his family members went. It is normal!
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:09 PM
 
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Sobro, you're wrong here. I work with a guy who is puerto ricin and still has a lot of family there. In fact, he went to visit a few weeks ago. In his own words, it is horrible in PR nowadays. Unemployment is over 20% and crime is at an all time high.



Ny certainly has better economic prospects and is certainly better in terms of welfare and government aide.
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Old 09-07-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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Thank you, that was a very logical response.Simply put.
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Old 09-07-2012, 11:33 PM
 
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Okay, I got it!
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I think they are all moving to Eastern Pennsylvania.
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Old 09-08-2012, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Maybe there are a few coming back. Prob the poorest ones who realized other places arent as easy to live off gov assistance like nyc is. On the whole though to me nyc feels noticeably less puerto rican. Of course there are still pockets with strong presence but its changed so much.
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Old 09-08-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Sobro, you're wrong here. I work with a guy who is puerto ricin and still has a lot of family there. In fact, he went to visit a few weeks ago. In his own words, it is horrible in PR nowadays. Unemployment is over 20% and crime is at an all time high.



Ny certainly has better economic prospects and is certainly better in terms of welfare and government aide.
True. Most puerto ricans i know complain about PR now because Fortuno the governor has really cut drastically the gov spending. The government was a huge source of employment and fortuno laid off a whole bunch of people. But many still go to PR to retire not to work...
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Ridgewood, NY
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Maybe there are a few coming back. Prob the poorest ones who realized other places arent as easy to live off gov assistance like nyc is. On the whole though to me nyc feels noticeably less puerto rican. Of course there are still pockets with strong presence but its changed so much.
This is a true statement and one I can definitely agree to 100%... While I do see more Puerto Ricans in my neighborhood than I did 3-4 years ago, with all the new groups that have moved into NYC, regardless of the Puerto Rican pop. the city doesn't feel like it used to and it just seems like so many other than the few that move back, aren't invested in their neighborhoods or even culture like they used to be... Back then, soon as spring time came, the tables would come out, salsa would be blasting, the grandmas would be selling packets of pasteles for $20 to the neighbors, etc. Now you see none of that... I'm sure there are still some areas in the Bronx and in parts of areas like Bushwick, East NY and maybe Woodhaven where you'll see things like that, but for the most part, things have changed and it is kinda sad to see...

Not gonna lie, while I pointed out certain facts that indicated a potential for a reverse migration back to NYC, I wouldn't be disappointed to see it happen... On this topic, my opinions here definitely are subjective...
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Maybe there are a few coming back. Prob the poorest ones who realized other places arent as easy to live off gov assistance like nyc is. On the whole though to me nyc feels noticeably less puerto rican. Of course there are still pockets with strong presence but its changed so much.
In an hispanic sense nyc feels mord dominican and mexican over rican on the regular.
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