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Being poor is not only an issue of having no to little money but an issue of attitude and behavioral problems thats co-related with being poor.
It's their attitude, behavior and "ghetto" lifestyle (sub-culture) that's considered undesirable and unacceptable. It creates a nusiance to the community and degrades the neighborhood.
You can give a poor ghetto person a million dollars, at the end of the day, they're a rich ghetto person with the same attitude, behavioral problems. The money does nothing to correct them. Their mentality is the same.
As the saying goes..."You can take the person out the ghetto but can't take the ghetto out the person." SO TRUE!
well that unfortunately cannot be fixed....its a moral issue, because the flip side of the coin is that there are rich people who have no class whatsoever, and who were never poor to begin with. i've stumbled across kids who certainly did not look poor smoking weed in carl schurz park at night.
which is why i stand by what chicago is doing to revitalize their city. they are actually giving classes to former CHA residents on how to upkeep their new home and contribute positively to the community. definitely a good attempt on how to correct that behavioral issue.
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And yet, Seventhfloor, you still haven't stated your opinion on the question of a non-working welfare recipient living in Manhattan while numerous working/middle class people have to deal with 90-minute commutes.
And yet, Seventhfloor, you still haven't stated your opinion on the question of a non-working welfare recipient living in Manhattan while numerous working/middle class people have to deal with 90-minute commutes.
Give up Woozle.Moving all the public housing out of Manhattan to the outer boroughs is a stupid idea that is never going to happen and wouldn't work anyway.Herding the poor was already tried once on another island in the middle of the East River.
Besides,there are probably 3 or 4 times as many people who live in Queens, Brooklyn,The Bronx and Staten Island who would rather see all the public housing moved to a different place.... Manhattan.But that would be just as stupid.
In any event,it's not going to happen so don't waste your time thinking about it too much.
And yet, Seventhfloor, you still haven't stated your opinion on the question of a non-working welfare recipient living in Manhattan while numerous working/middle class people have to deal with 90-minute commutes.
i frown upon any person deliberately abusing the wefare system, regardless of where they live. but as for the time being, i pay taxes and i have no control over what the goverment does with the money that comes out of my check....and i commute almost an hour each way to manhattan. so why cry about it.
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that really should be management's fault then...i'm sure the residents knew they were moving into a mixed income development, so i cant imagine they would harbor any resentment towards someone paying less, upon moving in. if management would have kept up with the repairs and addressed situations in a timely manner, maybe the situation would have turned out different. i've been in bay towers but back in the 80s when i was a kid. a friend of the family lived there, but she moved out.
SeventhFloor, when Bay Towers first opened around 1970, there was a different attitude back then. It was still the era of progressivism, communes, and hippies. The idea of mixing socioeconomic classes in one building was an experiemental idea that failed. It was supposed to be one big happy family where everyone learned from everyone else and everyone would get along. When the people who were paying the full rental rate as opposed to the subsidized rental rate left, they couldn't be replaced with new tenants willing to pay the full rent. The place started to slide downhill in a fairly short amount of time.
Give up Woozle.Moving all the public housing out of Manhattan to the outer boroughs is a stupid idea that is never going to happen and wouldn't work anyway.Herding the poor was already tried once on another island in the middle of the East River.
Besides,there are probably 3 or 4 times as many people who live in Queens, Brooklyn,The Bronx and Staten Island who would rather see all the public housing moved to a different place.... Manhattan.But that would be just as stupid.
In any event,it's not going to happen so don't waste your time thinking about it too much.
On the contrary, it's a brilliant idea that could make New York City far more livable for the productive members of society.
But of course it's just not going to happen. Idle day-dreaming, nothing more. But I'm always ready with the battle cry "Privatize all Manhattan public housing!"
Well being a Bronxite, I definately DON'T want more projects or low-class people moving into the Bronx. We have more than enough of those in the Bronx. The scale tips way too much on the low-class side. Not enough middle-class or affluent Bronx residents to diversify the borough. If anything, we need to get rid of a few of these projects to level out the playing field. This will indeed help shift the negative perception of the Bronx of being a low-class, welfare borough which harbors the lowest of the low.
My point still stands: the land on which many public housing projects are located even in today's, post-bubble, New York is too expensive to justify NYCHA holding on to it to the detriment of the rest of their finances/clients.
You could also say the same for lower Fairfield County in CT, and probably Hudson and Bergen counties in NJ.
Sell the properties and invest the money in mortgage down payment and relocation assistance.
It's disgusting to see how the city of Stamford, Ct., for example, has been tearing down their projects and replacing them with new units. Just for the building cost of the new units, they could relocate these families to an area, say 100 miles away, and GIVE them a darn HOUSE, furnishings, and a new car. And, it would still cost less than what they're paying to construct a new "project" unit!
We can't do that though. We have to make sure that places like McDonald's have the cheap labor to be able to offer their $1 menu.
As an aside, the idea behind the tear downs in Stamford was that more Caucasians would be integrated in to the projects under the "mixed-income" guise. It doesn't appear to have worked.
housing projects most ethnically homogeneous form of housing stock
These housing projects were agents of ethnic cleansing; the stick that drove the old urban working class ethnics out to the suburbs. Often they were built under the guise of integrating an ethnic neighborhood, yet the truth was that in just a few short years after the old neighborhood was cleared, the new neighborhood became more ethnically homogeneous than before the housing projects were built. As an ethnic integrator the housing projects are a tremendous failure. In fact government housing projects are often the most ethnically homogeneous housing in a given city.
There were some housing projects in NYCHA that had significant white -mostly Jewish ethnic- populations, but it seems like the government has legislated these people out of their ethnic enclave.
These housing projects were agents of ethnic cleansing; the stick that drove the old urban working class ethnics out to the suburbs. Often they were built under the guise of integrating an ethnic neighborhood, yet the truth was that in just a few short years after the old neighborhood was cleared, the new neighborhood became more ethnically homogeneous than before the housing projects were built. As an ethnic integrator the housing projects are a tremendous failure. In fact government housing projects are often the most ethnically homogeneous housing in a given city.
There were some housing projects in NYCHA that had significant white -mostly Jewish ethnic- populations, but it seems like the government has legislated these people out of their ethnic enclave.
in williamsburg brooklyn, there are some NYCHA developments that are predominantly Jewish - Taylor-Wythe and Jonathan Williams Plaza.
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