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Old 08-19-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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word, and along with the L train they have timers that countdown when the next train is coming. I remember ALL the stations were supposed to have that by 2011. But, alas...budget constraints.
Just tell the Chief of MTA transit- Countdowns in all stations by end of 2012, or you're fired.
Progress is NOT that expensive. Every station in NYCT is networked, there is no reason this project needs to be so slow.

Has anyone ever seen what SF MUNI has in stations or the BART?!
Even NYC's newest trains still seem like they're from some kind of dark age.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Yet somehow this isn't true of just about EVERY major metro system in the rest of the world- many which see ridership just as high as NYC.

NYCT is just gross. They don't make upgrades or clean. That's just not what they're in the business of.

Until the system collapses we won't see any improvements. Don't hold your breath.
you need to leave the city sometimes because most of the renovations arent happening in manhattan.

Like i said earlier take the b/q via brighton line. Every stop past cortelyou is literally brand new.

They are doing the same for every train station via coney island bound as well.

Also a lot of the stations in the bronx are renovated as well.

To say nyc isnt doing anything about their filth issue is wrong and a absolute lie.

you cant clean the whole system in one day.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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word, and along with the L train they have timers that countdown when the next train is coming. I remember ALL the stations were supposed to have that by 2011. But, alas...budget constraints.
the l line is pretty neat. All of its elevated stops are up to date when you take it to Brownsville/canaries.

I believe the tunnel stations are a bit harder to work on in the city because of all the people.

and speaking about number lines that new Fulton station should be a piece of art when its completed.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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you cant clean the whole system in one day.
Nor can you do much about people who prefer to leave their trash on the trains. (24/7, making them even more difficult to keep clean!)
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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it matches...mediocre subway system for a mediocre city.
Bingo.
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Sorry but not an excuse. They should get aid from the city/state/federal government or other places. I'm sure many of us are willing to pay slightly more for major improvements. Everything needs to be upgraded once in a while.... that's why roads, bridges, houses and other things gets makeover.
"I'm sure we're willing to pay more."

That's hilarious. The city and (particularly) the state have been cutting funding for the MTA for years now while demanding better results. It's morbidly funny to hear councilmembers and State Senators and Assemblymembers from southern Brooklyn (for example) complain out of one side of their mouth about cuts to bus and subway services and vote out of the other side of their mouth to cut funding for the MTA and to fail to fund the state's portion of the free student subway fares.

The last is a particularly damning tale. A couple decades back, the state, city and MTA initially agreed to pay a third of the cost each of giving all students free Metrocards. The state and city then refused to increase funding as the cost went up (more students enrolled), and a couple years ago the state cut its funding for the program entirely, so the MTA now pays more than two-thirds of the costs to send most NYC children to school, money that should be going to improving transit instead. Tell me where else in the country the city and state require the transit authority to pay to get kids to school!

It's almost entirely the fault of politicians and the voters who fail to hold them accountable for their ridiculous budget cuts while the politicians simultaneously offload blame on the MTA. Back when the system was really bad the story was the same. The MTA deferred maintenance because its funding from the city and state was cut back to almost zero.

That said, the subway system has actually improved dramatically over the past twenty years and continues to improve now, so the MTA is an incredible success despite the gross negligence of NY politicians.
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: USA
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civic rulers always wait after the fact.
after people get hurt, only then will
they rush to do something about it.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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you need to leave the city sometimes because most of the renovations arent happening in manhattan.
That's the main problem. Manhattan is the most famous, visited and well-known borough where 95% of tourist attractions and skyscrapers are located. Manhattan should have been perfect and new renovation, then the outer boroughs.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: London, NYC, DC
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The subway isn't that bad. The biggest problem is the passengers themselves, not the MTA. Maybe if people stopped littering, spitting, and simply cleaned up after themselves we wouldn't have such a problem.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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The subway isn't that bad. The biggest problem is the passengers themselves, not the MTA. Maybe if people stopped littering, spitting, and simply cleaned up after themselves we wouldn't have such a problem.
Right, because it's the passengers who leave the filth on the ceilings and the walls adjacent to the tracks.
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