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Even in those days though, Archie didn't dislike people so to speak for their nationlities, he just was open about his stereotypes, and more of breaking balls type of stuff white guys do amongst each other. Even in those days, WASPS were fewand far between in New York...Archie never was hateful..
Even in those days though, Archie didn't dislike people so to speak for their nationlities, he just was open about his stereotypes, and more of breaking balls type of stuff white guys do amongst each other. Even in those days, WASPS were fewand far between in New York...Archie never was hateful..
I loved AITF (at least the seasons before the show jumped the shark and the kids moved to California), but Archie definitely was apprehensive towards blacks, Jews, and Catholics, and felt superior to them. I wouldn't say he was hateful or wanted anything bad to happen to them, but still.
Actually found Archie Bunker a more typical stereotypical old school New York guy. However IIRC he was a working class WASP.
Knew plenty of those on SI growing up as well. OH they were nice to "blacks" and other minorities to their faces, but once out of ear shot you heard a different story. It was the old "you can invite your black friend from school over only if we don't have company" sort of thing. *LOL*
Didn't realize they were out there. I assume the show creators made Archie a WASP because they didn't care about accuracy.
Even in those days though, Archie didn't dislike people so to speak for their nationlities, he just was open about his stereotypes, and more of breaking balls type of stuff white guys do amongst each other. Even in those days, WASPS were fewand far between in New York...Archie never was hateful..
Oh I don't know about how "hateful" Archie Bunker was, he certainly didn't hold back on comments that would start a beat down today.
There is much controversy over the harm Archie Bunker did with his comments. Some feel the guy should be given a pass because he was a naïf and was just what he was. He didn't mean to insult persons of color or whatever, he just felt his opinion was correct.
OTOH many feel AB did a great amount of harm calling persons, blacks, Spics, Pollacks, Kites, Jews, ****, Lez, etc... Many waited but Caroll O'Connor never apologized for how he portrayed AB. I mean just because a bigot is "loveable" does that make them any less of one?
Didn't realize they were out there. I assume the show creators made Archie a WASP because they didn't care about accuracy.
What? You only though Italian or Sicilian Americans were the only European white "bigots" in NYC. Not by a long shot. They came in the entire white European descent gamut from English, Irish, Germans, and so forth.
It took lots of fighting (sometimes almost literally) for African Americans to break into various working class trades such as longshoreman, construction and so forth; then there was the various New York City jobs including the top tier, fire, police, and sanitation departments.
What? You only though Italian or Sicilian Americans were the only European white "bigots" in NYC. Not by a long shot. They came in the entire white European descent gamut from English, Irish, Germans, and so forth.
No, I meant I was surprised there were white working-class WASPs in NYC.
I loved AITF (at least the seasons before the show jumped the shark and the kids moved to California), but Archie definitely was apprehensive towards blacks, Jews, and Catholics, and felt superior to them. I wouldn't say he was hateful or wanted anything bad to happen to them, but still.
Never said he wanted anything bad to happen to such persons, just that he often had words to say. Remember in the beginning Archie Bunker joined his neighbors in a petition to keep a "colored" family (the Jeffersons) from purchasing a home on the block.
No, I meant I was surprised there were white working-class WASPs in NYC.
WASP to most usually means wealthy white Protestants, but can also be expanded to the following:
"The term WASP has many meanings. In sociology it reflects that segment of the U.S. population that founded the nation and traced their heritages to...Northwestern Europe. The term...has become more inclusive. To many people, WASP now includes most 'white' people who are not ... members of any minority group."
Bunker is an old Anglo-Saxon name (as in Bunker Hill located in Boston), so we know Archie is of that descent but certainly is not rich. We know his religion is Protestant so the rest fits in my book.
Thee are working class whites of English, British, Scots-Irish and so forth all over the USA in particular the Eastern seaboard from Maine right on through to Virginia.
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Never said he wanted anything bad to happen to such persons, just that he often had words to say. Remember in the beginning Archie Bunker joined his neighbors in a petition to keep a "colored" family (the Jeffersons) from purchasing a home on the block.
Right. But then he voted for George after he found out he was a Republican.
I think Archie Bunker's beliefs were a gray area, which made them far more realistic than the black-and-white way people usually try to frame things. He was a segregationist, but not a hater.
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