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Old 08-08-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Large problem for AA males is the same for everyone else in the labour market, that is the number of jobs available with merely a high school (or less) education is dwindling. You need a college degree to work in the mail rooms of some companies. Also because of twhat the xity echnology and the increased use of computers even once purely "technical" or "skill" driven jobs now require mastering a certain proven level competence in that area.

Also due to very high numbers of illegal immigrants in NYC many of the low skill jobs that once were held by AA males are now going to that population. The numbers of legal minority immigrants are also taking jobs such as those in the service, hospitality and other such industries that once employed many African Americans.

Time was when you went into say a restaurant kitchen or commercial laundry a bulk of the low skilled workers were AA. Now they are mainly Hispanic/Mexican.
So in this context, what the city can do to improve the emplyment situation among AA males is to screen out illegals, which would be a win win situation to both please the anti illegal sentiment and put legal americans back to work.

i wonder why the city is not doing what is so obvious...

 
Old 08-08-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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it isn't about job skills as much as it is making yourself employable and getting through the standards and filters that companies today expect when they look for applicants.
well, i thought most AA males are more presentable than mexicans/hispancs in unskilled job market: bigger,stronger, native english speaking, etc. but they just lost it to the illegals.
 
Old 08-08-2014, 04:54 PM
 
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you don't lower the bridge by eliminating competition that may be more presentable then you are even if they are illegals.

you need to raise the water and make yourself more employable.

today companies want people they can put through the ranks. you need good speaking skills, appearence, basic math and reading skills, the ability to learn .

but that comes after you can pass a drug test and background check.

those that want to do it will find a way , the rest will find an excuse . they will blame everything and everyone around them for their mis-fortune.
 
Old 08-08-2014, 04:55 PM
 
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well, i thought most AA males are more presentable than mexicans/hispancs in unskilled job market: bigger,stronger, native english speaking, etc. but they just lost it to the illegals.
not the ones i was dealing with when i ran a business on rockaway ave and pitkin. i coudn't even understand 3/4's of those that tried to apply. those that could failed drug testing.

there are always far more reasons then just job skills,, call it personal skills if you want but that is what is really lacking and the main reason for the high unemployment.
 
Old 08-08-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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You are The Man holding her down!
 
Old 08-08-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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So in this context, what the city can do to improve the emplyment situation among AA males is to screen out illegals, which would be a win win situation to both please the anti illegal sentiment and put legal americans back to work.

i wonder why the city is not doing what is so obvious...
Fact that like progressives/Democrats/Liberals from Obama down de Blasio and the NYC government have been busy enacting "immigrant" friendly legislation (such as the new ID card) tells you where they are looking for their next base. It is all over for AA's in NYC and much of the urban parts of the USA they once helped to control via backing the Democratic party.

The Latino/Hispanic population will reach majority minority status in the USA as a whole in < than a generation, this has happened already is many areas of the country. However like the gays the Latino/Hispanic population have studied how Blacks got so many things "wrong" politically and are determined not to make the same mistakes. Obama is falling all over himself to "help" those two groups because the quite honestly had him by the short and curlies politically. Ditto various governors, mayors, and other local elected officials. Gays and Latino/Hispanic voters have made it clear they will not go the way of Blacks and vote for a party that does not deliver and or only hands out crumbs.

As for the immigration issue yes, you would think African Americans would *see* the irony in supporting a party and president who are proposing/enacting platforms that will cause them social and economic harm; but no such thing. AAs are still having Obamagasms over a member of the tribe being in the WH and a good majority will do so until their last breath.

I've said it before and am doing so again; when BO's twelve years are finished the top gains for minorities will fall to mainly two groups; gays and Latino/Hispanics. African Americans will be left aside wondering "what happened"? We got one of our own in office and *THIS* is how things went down?

Now the Liberal/Left/Democrats will counter "BO is president of the entire USA, he cannot pick and choose various groups to support". Yeah right. If you believe that may I direct you to this bridge I am selling. It is >100 years old and crosses the East River to Brooklyn. Tell you what I'm going to do, now for a good price..........
 
Old 08-08-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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you don't lower the bridge by eliminating competition that may be more presentable then you are even if they are illegals.

you need to raise the water and make yourself more employable.

today companies want people they can put through the ranks. you need good speaking skills, appearence, basic math and reading skills, the ability to learn .

but that comes after you can pass a drug test and background check.

those that want to do it will find a way , the rest will find an excuse . they will blame everything and everyone around them for their mis-fortune.
I don't know why you say "today" Mathjak, this is something employers have always wanted. Nothing has changed.

Job interviews have always been about selling yourself and connections.
 
Old 08-08-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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Folks the facts speak for themselves. Unemployment is soaring in certain communities and the answer isn't job skills.

It is getting to first base to even get a low level job.

You have situations where only one out of 10 even graduate high school.

My feeling is even if you are a good student you will be picked on, harassed and made fun of until the bad kids pull you down to their level.

It is much easier for the bad kids to pull the good kids down then the few good kids pull the overwhelming bad students up.

The end result is what we have,we have a whole bunch of unemployed folks that do not appeal to any employer.

Like i said it isn't job skills as much as having personal appealing to an employer skills.

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Old 08-08-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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I don't know why you say "today" Mathjak, this is something employers have always wanted. Nothing has changed.

Job interviews have always been about selling yourself and connections.
While selling yourself has always been a factor the ease of information about you makes today different.

More than half of all major companies use back ground checks and credit scores as criteria. Very few companies did that 20 years ago.

That adds another filter you have to get through besides job skills.
 
Old 08-08-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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While selling yourself has always been a factor the ease of information about you makes today different.

More than half of all major companies use back ground checks and credit scores as criteria. Very few companies did that 20 years ago.

That adds another filter you have to get through besides job skills.
Hmmm, background checks were always ran on me. Credit, not so much.
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