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No I was born in Queens. Yeah the Bronx is too isolated and ghetto.
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Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese
I wanted to let you know that Brooklyn is far more ghetto than the . I was there the other on gun shots rang out. I was in prospect Heights. I haven't heard gun shots on my block in a long while in the Bronx.
I know right.. He's a transplant so he would not know about the ins and outs of the Bronx like us..
One thing I've heard exaggerated on this forum, is that NYers are rude.
For the past 1 to 2 years I've been here (originally from S.Florida) I find people to be actually quite nice.
I might not be saying that same thing for the people who drive on the road. But from what I've experienced, people are more than willing to help you out.
Everyone is rude. I haven't noticed anything different from New Yorkers to make me think that is a special case. If you live in a city, anywhere, you will encounter rude people.
Everyone is rude. I haven't noticed anything different from New Yorkers to make me think that is a special case. If you live in a city, anywhere, you will encounter rude people.
I don't know which part of the city your going to (If its in the hood or something) or that you grew up in a different part of the country.
But I haven't had much rude encounters with the people. The city tends to be more of a "Go" atmosphere, especially with traffic, and just overall congestion. Sometimes that brings the worst out of people.
I just haven't seen too much as I thought when I moved here.
I don't know which part of the city your going to (If its in the hood or something) or that you grew up in a different part of the country.
But I haven't had much rude encounters with the people. The city tends to be more of a "Go" atmosphere, especially with traffic, and just overall congestion. Sometimes that brings the worst out of people.
I just haven't seen too much as I thought when I moved here.
I'm not referring to New York City. I'm talking about urban dwellers in general. My point is that people in New York City are no more or less rude than someone in Cleveland or Detroit.
People were rude to me in Atlanta. I don't get this fixation with rudeness and NYC. Its just a larger city, with ordinary people. Some people define the city and some people are defined by the city. No different than anywhere else. It is what it is. As far as the "go" atmosphere, you learn to keep up in the city. It isn't personal; individuals learn to brush their shoulders off and keep moving. But those environments exist everywhere.
I don't know which part of the city your going to (If its in the hood or something) or that you grew up in a different part of the country.
But I haven't had much rude encounters with the people. The city tends to be more of a "Go" atmosphere, especially with traffic, and just overall congestion. Sometimes that brings the worst out of people.
I just haven't seen too much as I thought when I moved here.
I've known people from the 'hood, be it housing projects or other areas, from NYC outside of NYC. I can't speak on those neighborhoods. My interactions with them were no different than people from the 'hood from anywhere else. Street culture, for lack of a better term, is pretty universal. NYC does have the high rises, which are unique to that city, now that Chicago tore down a lot of their public housing, but the people don't seem any different.
The streets are fast paced though, but that's anywhere, you just have to be aware of your surroundings. Were I to live in NYC, I wouldn't get off at any stops in the 'hood any more than I didn't get off at the wrong stop in Ohio. Even driving through, is questionable particularly if you run out of gas or your car breaks down. Its just a common sense thing some situations you can't avoid but most you can.
One thing that does seem to be an issue in NYC is affordability. The 'hood might be what the working poor can afford. Or it may be preferable than living further away from work. Plus a working person in the service industry, or a knowledge worker low on the totem pole, can't afford their own transportation. So then you have to question if you're better off in some other city, because you have the job you enjoy, but it doesn't pay well and you're playing Russian roulette with stray bullets or other random 'hood situations.
I live next to the 'hood now, in Virgina. But I don't really have to deal with it. I drive through it, and when I take the bus I ride through it. In NYC, if I had to go through several stops and dealing with the randomness of passengers getting on and off, would probably be a lot more intense. Particularly at night.
I often wonder what transplants do when they're in some real situations in the city. Situations that were the norm back in the eighties and nineties when you didn't have cops everywhere. Back in those days people did stuff in front of the police. American cities were very dangerous in those days. I don't think millennials had to live through that.
What would be the comparable neighborhoods in DC to SoHo, Chelsea and Williamsburg? Maybe next time I'm passing through DC I'll check them out. Would also like to have comparable neighborhoods to the East Village, Lower East Side and Chinatown as well.
Its a different animal. Most of DC is comparable to Brooklyn or random blocks in Manhattan. Most downtown DC areas have a Wall Street vibe. Everyone in suits and ties, etc. Areas like U street, H street, Adams Morgan, Takoma Park and Columbia Heights will feel more like parts of Brooklyn. Anacostia would be like parts of the Bronx. Then Northern Virginia across the Potomac River would be like Hoboken.
DC's Chinatown is nothing like New York's Chinatown. It is actually more like New York's time square (and that's what it seems to be trying to be). Georgetown would definitely be the SoHo of DC.
But again, its a different animal. So don't expect a carbon copy of what NYC has.
I'm not referring to New York City. I'm talking about urban dwellers in general. My point is that people in New York City are no more or less rude than someone in Cleveland or Detroit.
People were rude to me in Atlanta. I don't get this fixation with rudeness and NYC. Its just a larger city, with ordinary people. Some people define the city and some people are defined by the city. No different than anywhere else. It is what it is. As far as the "go" atmosphere, you learn to keep up in the city. It isn't personal; individuals learn to brush their shoulders off and keep moving. But those environments exist everywhere.
That's because half the people in Atlanta are from _________
That's because half the people in Atlanta are from _________
Not necessarily. That's causation. You have no way of knowing if those were transplants. Nice try though.
Come to Ohio. We'll be rude to you over there. And few of us have ever seen New York. I didn't see New York until I was in my late 30s. That could be why it doesn't bother me. Like I mentioned, before you interrupted, I've known most city people to be this way. Are they all from New York? Doubtful.
I've known people from the 'hood, be it housing projects or other areas, from NYC outside of NYC. I can't speak on those neighborhoods. My interactions with them were no different than people from the 'hood from anywhere else. Street culture, for lack of a better term, is pretty universal. NYC does have the high rises, which are unique to that city, now that Chicago tore down a lot of their public housing, but the people don't seem any different.
The streets are fast paced though, but that's anywhere, you just have to be aware of your surroundings. Were I to live in NYC, I wouldn't get off at any stops in the 'hood any more than I didn't get off at the wrong stop in Ohio. Even driving through, is questionable particularly if you run out of gas or your car breaks down. Its just a common sense thing some situations you can't avoid but most you can.
One thing that does seem to be an issue in NYC is affordability. The 'hood might be what the working poor can afford. Or it may be preferable than living further away from work. Plus a working person in the service industry, or a knowledge worker low on the totem pole, can't afford their own transportation. So then you have to question if you're better off in some other city, because you have the job you enjoy, but it doesn't pay well and you're playing Russian roulette with stray bullets or other random 'hood situations.
You don't know NYC that well. Generally speaking in the current NYC the hood is not CLOSE to major job centers. It's the hood because it's further away from work.
And where do you think working poor live in other cities? Also in the hood. The only way to escape the hood is to earn more more money or else you'll just be replacing one hood for another.
Chicago destroyed it's high rises. But they just moved the project people into working class areas which became the new hoods. In short they just relocated the ghetto away from downtown (there were some high rise projects near downtown). Chicago's murder rate is three times that of New York.
You don't know NYC that well. Generally speaking in the current NYC the hood is not CLOSE to major job centers. It's the hood because it's further away from work.
And where do you think working poor live in other cities? Also in the hood. The only way to escape the hood is to earn more more money or else you'll just be replacing one hood for another.
Chicago destroyed it's high rises. But they just moved the project people into working class areas which became the new hoods. In short they just relocated the ghetto away from downtown (there were some high rise projects near downtown). Chicago's murder rate is three times that of New York.
How does this tie in with my point though? No city has honest work in the hood. But, in New York you may have better transportation options from the hood to the job. Other cities no one is driving a bus into those areas. Around it, maybe. Could be those areas were nice when the train started going into those areas, or NYC might have a different consciousness about it. I know it wouldn't happen here. Hood here has the bus, but I doubt they'll put a train through those neighborhoods.
I'm not from New York and I don't live there. But the OP asked people to differentiate New York, and no one has done this. New York is a multicounty city, but there are multicounty metro areas all over this country. New Yorkers are people who have adapted to a situation, which is how to survive in a 300 square mile city with 9 million residents. All the OP is suggesting, and I agree with him, although I don't think he articulated his arguments well, is that any other city would be the same way, given the opportunity to grow under similar circumstances that New York did.
The hood in New York is a larger hood. But how is it a different hood? The question I answered inferred that the only rude people in New York would be those in the hood. That's actually insulting to me. I've lived in the hood. And I know that the hood in various neighborhoods of different cities has their own way of operating. But there are similarities. People in the hood have to travel outside of the hood for various reasons. Logistically, that can change with each city, each neighborhood. But the reality is the same.
The conversation I was responding to you don't have to know the particulars. It was an inference, a generalization. People in the hood, I expect them to be rude to me. Especially if I'm slow about something. But when people talk about rudeness, they're usually not referring to the hood.
This is an interesting thread. But all the OP has accomplished, is the usual chest pounding, provincialism, with a vainglorious sentiment over the cities infrastructural accomplishments. Then to find out the genesis for the thread is that the OP honestly believes that DC is better. For whatever reason. But the DC metro is just the NY area spread over different counties, and spread over Independent cities in neighboring states. Its not better, and its not worse. And that's just as disappointing. Bottom line is that people either like NYC or they don't. If you do, you don't need a reason. The only people that need a reason, are people that can't seem to stop thinking about it.
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