Nypd cop shot in east harlem

[Dennis Brown]

Originally Posted by shooter2219

deindustrialization is a major reason why the ghettos were created in the first place......but people on these boards love to conveniently omit that fact.

Yes indeed and the people responsible are definitely not the black/brown people in these communities that were left with the empty bag but accountability is term a that doesn't exist when your at the top of the mountain...

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by Dennis Brown

Yes indeed and the people responsible are definitely not the black/brown people in these communities that were left with the empty bag but accountability is term a that doesn't exist when your at the top of the mountain...

Deindustrialization was not the major reason really, or Blacks would have moved just as Whites did.

Blacks were denied access to good jobs and access to higher education in large numbers until the civil rights movement. And of course public schools in poor neighborhoods tend to be poorly funded, and have a hard time attracting good teachers.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by shooter2219

Not completely true. new york is one of the few cities in this country where small business still reigns supreme over big box retail esp in the ghetto areas. Granted its mostly bodegas dollar stores and clothing stores but still. business savvy blacks opening up small businesses is a great idea simply bc if the businesses generate enough revenue, esp on their own, they can empower themselves the way the chinese the italians and many latin american groups have. A successful black business is much more likely to employ a black person, esp ones with jail records (because we all know mainstream society would much rather not deal with black people, whether they are goody twoshoes, educated, or criminal). A well run well organized black business would be good for black people to shop and do business with simply bc the shop owners are much less likely to not do racially discriminatory **** against black customers. lets keep it real, most white asian arab indian and even some hispanic shop owners like black money but not black people. bottom line blacks can depend on each other for their goods and services rather than going to outsiders who are not very fond of them. the money circulated can be invested to build and create bigger institutions that serve the black communitys needs. unfortunately most of this is a pipe dream and many black business startups have difficulty getting startup loans and capital from banks. Apparently as much as the mainstream hates black people, the idea of them branching off on their own and running their own businesses strangely doesnt sit well with them either.




deindustrialization is a major reason why the ghettos were created in the first place......but people on these boards love to conveniently omit that fact.

First of all you need to look-up and comprehend the word "ghetto".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto

There are and were ghettos of all sorts in NYC especially in Manhattan. East Village, Lower East Side, West Village, Chelsea, Hell's Kitchen/Tenderloin, UWS, Harlem, etc.... These were made up of Irish, Italian, Eastern European Jews, Blacks, etc....

Main formation of ghettos in NYC was from two reasons; persons (mainly new immigrants) preferring for various reasons to live in an area with their own kind and discrimination. Little Italy was a "ghetto" if you will but more because Italians upon arrival chose to live among their own kind. You see this from Boston to New Orleans.

While it is true many ghettos in NYC and elsewhere were slums with various problems that does not mean every single resident was suspect. Again for many it was the only place they either felt safe (around their own kind) and or could find housing (discrimination). So if you were an Irish housekeeper working for a family on Washington Square you probably lived somewhere on the LES, Hell's Kitchen, or wherever other Irish persons lived. Ditto for Blacks and other "minorities".

What made ghettos bad for Blacks and to an extent Latino/Hispanics in NYC was the white flight movement out of urban areas post WWII. Whites *could* move out of the City or even just Manhattan to the suburbs or even into Brooklyn, Queens or Staten Island. Blacks OTOH had problems rooted in discrimination including things such as red-lining.

That being said even solid middle class and above Blacks/Latinos began to flee "ghetto" areas for safer places even if they were racially segregated "ghettos" in the outer boroughs or suburbs. As the honest/hard working classes fled what you were left with was hard core straight up poor and or thugs.

Will give you that the loss of the NYC manufacturing base along with those jobs helped fuel the decline of many "ghetto" areas in the City. But that was felt all over by all sorts of persons. The docks of Manhattan and Brooklyn employed mostly persons of Northern European descent. When shipping mostly abandoned New York/New Jersey not only did those jobs largely vanish those that could went as well. It was same with manufacturing.