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Old 07-28-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Minor detail you failed to mention. Detail being that Bush was president for 8 years running up a debt and two wars, with a financhial system that was running wild.
I am completely with you on that. I have subzero respect for the bushs's presidencies and below average leadrrship. if Obama was any capable leader, he would have been able to rescue America from falling further down the tube. apparently he didn't and is incapable and worse, he led America further down. that is why voters should be extremely careful about picking the right person to lead the country in the next 4-8 years. trump isn't perfect but he is miles ahead of Hillary in terms of potential and competence. Bloomberg is a smart business person and a smooth politician but he caters to special interest groups instead of average Americans. look at the ongoing disparity in NYC for example.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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way i see it is you don't need to like your leader's personality. the problem is people vote by their hearts and emotions, not on objective policy. i don't like my boss either for certain reasons, but he gets the job done. and the fact is, whenever our nation has suffered from conditions as we have now, conservative principles have always worked. i'm not suggesting they are the solution long term, that's why we have a 2 party system, but one only needs to look at giuliani politics in NYC from the 90's to understand this. mike pence, like him or not, shaped indiana to become one of the best job hiring states, has a budget surplus, and the highest credit rating, at triple A.
Yes, Pence is a good manager but he's boring (IN is my home state). People vote based on emotion and cult of personality as opposed to results -- otherwise, Democrats wouldn't be doing so well in elections.

Government helps by not doing -- reduced spending, lower taxes, fewer regulations, less meddling with respect to interest rates, etc. It's hard to cultivate politicians who move forward with this approach but they do exist (Cruz, the Paul family, etc.).

If Republicans don't better learn how to sway people emotionally, they'll continue to struggle though their policies are better (or, at the very least, less bad) than those of the Democrats.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:16 PM
 
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Yes, Pence is a good manager but he's boring (IN is my home state). People vote based on emotion and cult of personality as opposed to results -- otherwise, Democrats wouldn't be doing so well in elections.

Government helps by not doing -- reduced spending, lower taxes, fewer regulations, less meddling with respect to interest rates, etc. It's hard to cultivate politicians who move forward with this approach but they do exist (Cruz, the Paul family, etc.).

If Republicans don't better learn how to sway people emotionally, they'll continue to struggle though their policies are better (or, at the very least, less bad) than those of the Democrats.

um you just perfectly described Trump supporters
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:43 PM
 
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No matter his party affiliation in any given year, Bloomberg is a centrist Democrat, just like Hillary. Sometime a little more left, sometimes a little more right, but basically anchored in the middle and away from the extremes of right or left. That's the way he governed NYC and that will be the way Hillary will govern the US, IMO, after (and not if) she is elected. And while Bloomie certainly had a tin ear with the poor and working-class sometimes, I don't begrudge him being rich. Unlike Trump, he earned his money. He didn't inherit it.

He probably doesn't want to get back into politics, even though he toys with the idea of running for president every four years. But he might make an interesting addition to a Clinton Administration. Secretary of HUD? Or at the Dept. of Transportation? Maybe running the Corporation for National and Community Service? Director of the NIH? Maybe even a major ambassadorship, to China, Russia, India, England. Who knows? He might be able to put his philanthropic, business, and political smarts in service of his country with Hillary.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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um you just perfectly described Trump supporters
Your just a kid bro, please don't comment on things you don't understand. When you actually start living life...you know taxes, mortgage, your kid needs braces etc etc then maybe we can talk.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:03 PM
 
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Government helps by not doing -- reduced spending, lower taxes, fewer regulations, less meddling with respect to interest rates, etc. It's hard to cultivate politicians who move forward with this approach but they do exist (Cruz, the Paul family, etc.).
Well put. The government needs to stop meddling in the economy and start doing its job: protecting this nation. Unfortunately, the federal government is now primarily concerned with entitlement programs, which account for 72% of spending. They should be focusing on things such as national security, cybersecurity, and counterterrorism.

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If Republicans don't better learn how to sway people emotionally, they'll continue to struggle though their policies are better (or, at the very least, less bad) than those of the Democrats.
I think the issue is more that our society's intellectuals (i.e. professors at universities) basically promote socialism and government intervention into the economy. As Mises wrote in his book "Socialism" (German edition published in 1922 and English edition published in 1951):

"It is true that the masses do not think. But just for this reason they follow those who do think. The intellectual guidance of humanity belongs to the very few who think for themselves. At first they influence the circle of those capable of grasping and understanding what others have thought; through these intermediaries their ideas reach the masses and there condense themselves into the public opinion of the time."

"The power of Socialism too, is like any other power ultimately spiritual; and it finds its support in ideas proceeding from the intellectual leaders, who give them to the people. If the intelligentsia abandoned Socialism its power would end."
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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Your just a kid bro, please don't comment on things you don't understand. When you actually start living life...you know taxes, mortgage, your kid needs braces etc etc then maybe we can talk.
So if I was older than you and disagreed, I'd automatically be right?
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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I am completely with you on that. I have subzero respect for the bushs's presidencies and below average leadrrship. if Obama was any capable leader, he would have been able to rescue America from falling further down the tube. apparently he didn't and is incapable and worse, he led America further down. that is why voters should be extremely careful about picking the right person to lead the country in the next 4-8 years. trump isn't perfect but he is miles ahead of Hillary in terms of potential and competence. Bloomberg is a smart business person and a smooth politician but he caters to special interest groups instead of average Americans. look at the ongoing disparity in NYC for example.


If he had gotten cooperation from the RNC lead Congress. But you know all that. Blame the man for not being able to work with others. Then we he acts unilaterally blame him for that. Obama did better with the situation then any RNC candidate would have. America realizes this now, hence his popularity.
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Old 07-29-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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If he had gotten cooperation from the RNC lead Congress. But you know all that. Blame the man for not being able to work with others. Then we he acts unilaterally blame him for that. Obama did better with the situation then any RNC candidate would have. America realizes this now, hence his popularity.
obama wasn't a good a leader, he was a divider. the presidency isn't much different from a pro sports coach, they're both hired to lead and unite and it's a fine balance of working with your talent, to convince them to buy in and win. the president doesn't do the work, he inspires them to do the work. that is politics. a president is meant to be a symbol of leadership.

obama doesn't have many friends in congress even in the left. nobody remembers him from college at columbia u. race relations are now the worst since the 60's. when he was elected i thought he might be a spiritual leader but no. there were policies that both parties would agree on ie dollar repatriation, but because of his personality, he's divided congress. no one wants to work or deal with him. it stems from his un-american personality. his constantly preaching to people like they're children, that what he says is the way it is, and anything else is stupidity and blaming all problems on others. i have never seen a president do that. there would have been better democrats who would have united the country.
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Old 07-29-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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obama wasn't a good a leader, he was a divider. the presidency isn't much different from a pro sports coach, they're both hired to lead and unite and it's a fine balance of working with your talent, to convince them to buy in and win. the president doesn't do the work, he inspires them to do the work. that is politics. a president is meant to be a symbol of leadership.

obama doesn't have many friends in congress even in the left. nobody remembers him from college at columbia u. race relations are now the worst since the 60's. when he was elected i thought he might be a spiritual leader but no. there were policies that both parties would agree on ie dollar repatriation, but because of his personality, he's divided congress. no one wants to work or deal with him. it stems from his un-american personality. his constantly preaching to people like they're children, that what he says is the way it is, and anything else is stupidity and blaming all problems on others. i have never seen a president do that. there would have been better democrats who would have united the country.
The day he was elected the RNC leaders gathered and stated their policy would be to say No to everything he brought forward.


The Party of ' NO ' is at fault. Lets not revise history.
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