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I first of all want to state any American has the right to live anywhere in America.
With that said, there's a reason why the current influx of newcomers was in many ways destructive.
If older people or families had moved to NYC in greater numbers, they would have wanted their own apartments and more for their money.
Landlords were able to rent out apartments and individual rooms to young out of towners at RIDICULOUS prices. These young people often don't stay in the city for long (for a few years at the most) and yet they displaced families or individuals who made NYC their home.
I am all for neighborhood improvements, better stores moving into neighborhoods, amenities, etc.
That doesn't mean I think it's a good idea for basically idiot kids to participate in the displacement of people.
A big part of the problem is many people come here to study, and as NYC colleges EXPANDED, they directly and indirectly displaced whole neighborhoods. Especially Columbia and NYU. Then there's NYC's reputation as the ultimate post college or post high schools experience, I think that was popularized by tv shows like Sex and the City and movies like Coyote Ugly.
Now the neighborhoods that were popular among out of town post college kids 10 years ago are neighborhoods most of them can't get into (Williamsburg, Hells Kitchen, etc) and now this crowd has to go to Bedstuy, Bushwick, Harlem, etc.
I think the city should have done a better job at marketing to OLDER people from other states.
The problem with the transplants is that theyre largely standoffish , entitled and boring! I really do not connect with the transplants...even if I wanted to I wouldn’t be happy faking a friendship with them.
Kids starting careers have been coming here for decades, at least as far back as the fifties. There's nothing new here, not even the numbets.
What's changed? First, it used to be that when people got married and had kids, the moved out to the 'burbs. Now, not so much. You now have professionals in mid-career staying and having kids in the city, demanding bigger apartments, and being willing and able to pay for them. Developers are building less studios and one beds, and more family sized apartments, which means lowe total numbers of units . The flip side of this is that there are more people not having kids at all, and just staying in the city. So where there used to be a convection or families with kids (and couples planning to have kids) leaving the city, then being replaced with kids coming in starting their careers. The latter is still coming, but the former are not leaving, at least in the numbers they used to. And all these people are well employed, and can swing the higher rents or purchase prices. Anyone who can't has to go.
Kids starting careers have been coming here for decades, at least as far back as the fifties. There's nothing new here, not even the numbets.
What's changed? First, it used to be that when people got married and had kids, the moved out to the 'burbs. Now, not so much. You now have professionals in mid-career staying and having kids in the city, demanding bigger apartments, and being willing and able to pay for them. Developers are building less studios and one beds, and more family sized apartments, which means lowe total numbers of units . The flip side of this is that there are more people not having kids at all, and just staying in the city. So where there used to be a convection or families with kids (and couples planning to have kids) leaving the city, then being replaced with kids coming in starting their careers. The latter is still coming, but the former are not leaving, at least in the numbers they used to. And all these people are well employed, and can swing the higher rents or purchase prices. Anyone who can't has to go.
Most the kids who come here do not stay. While it's true people have ALWAYS come to NYC to start careers, the large volumes of people coming to NYC to party for a few years and leave is comparatively new. The weakening of the rent stabilization laws by Republican administrations, plus the wholesale marketing of the city to that demographic permanently changed things.
Depending on the new construction and the neighborhood, a lot of the new buildings are condos and are for investors.
Whole neighborhoods have a giant DORM feel, and that's certainly NOT a good environment.
To some extent there has always been turnover. But since the city's population is growing, I categorically reject you entire premise. I don't see the outflow of transplants being more than usual, and it may very well be less.
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While it's true people have ALWAYS come to NYC to start careers, the large volumes of people coming to NYC to party for a few years and leave is comparatively new.
And exists only I your mind
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The weakening of the rent stabilization laws by Republican administrations, plus the wholesale marketing of the city to that demographic permanently changed things.
The main demographic change is what I've described, the growth of professional families staying in the city.
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Depending on the new construction and the neighborhood, a lot of the new buildings are condos and are for investors.
I think the whole oligarch investors holding empty apartments story is a left wing fairytale. People (albeit rich people) are living in those buildings, either as owners, or renting from the owners.
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Whole neighborhoods have a giant DORM feel, and that's certainly NOT a good environment.
What I find unusual is how expensive it is to live in the "least desirable neighborhoods" now. The cheapest 1 bedrooms are 1300-1400 now, and just a few years ago I saw many places available for far less than that. Sure you can blame high rents in Bushwick and Bed Stuy on white gentrifiers or whatever, but what about places like Wakefield and Williamsbridge?
It's weird to me that many people on this forum think $2000 for an apartment is cheap, when that is very expensive for US standards, and that's not affordable for the vast majority of New Yorkers. Yes there are a lot of high paying jobs in NYC, but the average HOUSEHOLD income is only 60k or so. So those good jobs aren't exactly growing on trees.
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