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Do you realize how dirty some neighborhoods are? Street sweepers cannot get everything on the first pass in some of these areas. Sometimes take a couple of passes to get it all.
That's because they have really crappy street sweepers. They could do much better.
Respectfully disagree. It's not about revenue, it's about not having a lot of multiple dwellings. Where my relatives live at, there's only one apartment building in the entire neighborhood and its a garden apartment complex. More apartment buildings means you have a higher chance of living on a dirtier street.
Density does figure into it, you're right. But there are still plenty of low-density outer borough neighborhoods with ASP, where it really not needed to keep the streets clean. Which is why I think ASP is more about revenue.
Watch ASP be extended to parts of the city that previously never had it in a few months. Mark my words.
That gets expensive but with comrade deBlasio you never know. Many of the current outer borough neighborhoods without ASP are lower density areas of mostly 1 and 2 family houses where a lot of homes (like my S.I. home) have at least a driveway if not a garage. In neighborhoods like that people would park in their driveways on the ASP days, and there would probably still be enough on-street spaces for others. Which means less ticket revenue.
The NYCDOT would have to put up thousands of ASP signs which is only a 1-time expense. The Sanitation Dept would have to buy more sweepers, also a 1-time expense. BUT the additional employees needed to operate those sweepers get very expensive. These lower-density areas wouldn't generate enough ticket revenue to offset the massive labor costs incurred by Sanitation.
Density does figure into it, you're right. But there are still plenty of low-density outer borough neighborhoods with ASP, where it really not needed to keep the streets clean. Which is why I think ASP is more about revenue.
Like where? I'm not disputing you, but I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
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Residential streets with one and two family homes theoretically don’t need ASP because homeowners are responsible for cleaning the street adjacent to the curb in front of their homes.
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Closer to home, there are parts of Staten Island and Queens where no parking regulations exist for street cleaning. The law, however, obliges property owners to maintain the curb along their property line 18 inches into the street. The threat of a fine and a little elbow grease results in a job well done.
Residential streets with one and two family homes theoretically don’t need ASP because homeowners are responsible for cleaning the street adjacent to the curb in front of their homes.
Residential streets with one and two family homes theoretically don’t need ASP because homeowners are responsible for cleaning the street adjacent to the curb in front of their homes.
Wonder if Sanitation comes around and give ppl tickets on SI if they decided not to clean
I've been on SI for 30 years and have never heard of anyone on a residential block in the New Dorp/Oakwood area getting a 'dirty curb' ticket. Commercial streets like New Dorp Lane or Forest Avenue are another story. Merchants are occasionally harassed with such tickets. A friend runs a shop at a bus stop. How can she be held responsible for the slobs waiting for the S76 bus? There's even a wastebasket at the bus stop but some people are just slugs.
I've been on SI for 30 years and have never heard of anyone on a residential block in the New Dorp/Oakwood area getting a 'dirty curb' ticket. Commercial streets like New Dorp Lane or Forest Avenue are another story. Merchants are occasionally harassed with such tickets. A friend runs a shop at a bus stop. How can she be held responsible for the slobs waiting for the S76 bus? There's even a wastebasket at the bus stop but some people are just slugs.
I have never been south of the Expressway
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That gets expensive but with comrade deBlasio you never know. Many of the current outer borough neighborhoods without ASP are lower density areas of mostly 1 and 2 family houses where a lot of homes (like my S.I. home) have at least a driveway if not a garage. In neighborhoods like that people would park in their driveways on the ASP days, and there would probably still be enough on-street spaces for others. Which means less ticket revenue.
The NYCDOT would have to put up thousands of ASP signs which is only a 1-time expense. The Sanitation Dept would have to buy more sweepers, also a 1-time expense. BUT the additional employees needed to operate those sweepers get very expensive. These lower-density areas wouldn't generate enough ticket revenue to offset the massive labor costs incurred by Sanitation.
Philly is expanding ASP to practically the whole city. I know it's a different city but it wouldn't surprise me if NYC copys Philly.
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