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What "derelict apartment buildings" are you referring to? Be specific, please. The only building mentioned was 157 E. 57 Street, which is a typical midcentury building. It looks well maintained and pretty nice.
And there are no apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte or Atlanta. Obviously they cannot have "derelict apartment buildings" when no such neighborhood typology exists. Charlotte is essentially a giant sprawly suburb.
What "derelict apartment buildings" are you referring to? Be specific, please. The only building mentioned was 157 E. 57 Street, which is a typical midcentury building. It looks well maintained and pretty nice.
And there are no apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte or Atlanta. Obviously they cannot have "derelict apartment buildings" when no such neighborhood typology exists. Charlotte is essentially a giant sprawly suburb.
There are plenty of apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte. Check out Fourth Ward or the South End. Fourth Ward is urban in part and is meticulously maintained--even the buildings from the 1800s there.
The building I mentioned as being OK is 157 E. 57th Street. Look on the Google Map site for the white brick building next to it.
Out in the country, the housing market is not as tight as it is in NYC. Landlords have to compete for tenants, tenants don't so much have to compete with each other for apartments. So a building in NYC that might look shabby from the outside, but still has decent apartments will rent, where the same building out in the country wouldn't. The landlord would have to put some money into it to make it look more appealing.
There are plenty of apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte. Check out Fourth Ward or the South End. Fourth Ward is urban in part and is meticulously maintained--even the buildings from the 1800s there.
The building I mentioned as being OK is 157 E. 57th Street. Look on the Google Map site for the white brick building next to it.
No, there are no apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte. The Fourth Ward and South End are basically sprawly suburbs by NYC standards. Even random suburbs in Jersey are far more urban.
The white building next to 157 E. 57 looks just fine. Nothing remotely derelict about it.
I think what you're trying to say is that you don't like older urban apartment buildings, which is fine, I guess. There are basically no older urban apartment buildings in Charlotte, so you're in the right place. Don't ever go to Europe, though, you will be in shock at all the old buildings.
No, there are no apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte. The Fourth Ward and South End are basically sprawly suburbs by NYC standards. Even random suburbs in Jersey are far more urban.
The white building next to 157 E. 57 looks just fine. Nothing remotely derelict about it.
I think what you're trying to say is that you don't like older urban apartment buildings, which is fine, I guess. There are basically no older urban apartment buildings in Charlotte, so you're in the right place. Don't ever go to Europe, though, you will be in shock at all the old buildings.
If you're going to deny that a neighborhood made up of apartments is not an apartment neighborhood, then further discussion with you is not productive. Does the residential part of Back Bay in Boston count?
The building next to 157 East 57th Street is "just fine" and not "remotely derelict"? Really? Faded paint; stains from air conditioners; etc.? Objectively, hopefully you can agree that it is not in like-new condition?
No, I actually like older buildings. I've long lived in buildings built from 1880 to 1930 and I oversee one built 150 years ago. My favorite architectural styles are from around 1900.
What I simply don't understand is why high-income people who pay top dollar for housing in NYC let their buildings go to pot. One of the posts above explained why (landlords can get away with it); I still don't understand why people would let their condo or co-op boards get away with it, though.
No, there are no apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte. The Fourth Ward and South End are basically sprawly suburbs by NYC standards. Even random suburbs in Jersey are far more urban.
The white building next to 157 E. 57 looks just fine. Nothing remotely derelict about it.
I think what you're trying to say is that you don't like older urban apartment buildings, which is fine, I guess. There are basically no older urban apartment buildings in Charlotte, so you're in the right place. Don't ever go to Europe, though, you will be in shock at all the old buildings.
Also, I've spent years living in large European cities. Vienna, Paris, etc. don't have derelict apartment buildings in prime areas. Central Vienna, where I lived (in a building built in the 1800s), is beautiful.
If you're going to deny that a neighborhood made up of apartments is not an apartment neighborhood, then further discussion with you is not productive.
You have yet to mention such a neighborhood. Again, there are no apartment neighborhoods in Charlotte. You mentioned the Fourth Ward and South End. Neither are characterized by large apartment buildings.
This is Charlotte's South End. Not even as urban as a typical NJ or LI railroad suburb:
Does the residential part of Back Bay in Boston count?
Back Bay isn't really an apartment neighborhood, no. It's more townhomes. There are very few large apartment buildings in Back Bay.
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The building next to 157 East 57th Street is "just fine" and not "remotely derelict"? Really? Faded paint; stains from air conditioners; etc.? Objectively, hopefully you can agree that it is not in like-new condition?
So your standard for "derelict" is "faded paint and stains from air conditioners". LOL. So every building on earth is derelict, by your standard. If I hired an inspector, I could find faded paint and stains on every structure, anywhere.
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No, I actually like older buildings. I've long lived in buildings built from 1880 to 1930 and I oversee one built 150 years ago. My favorite architectural styles are from around 1900.
Yet you're talking highly about Charlotte, which has no such buildings, and criticizing NYC, which is like 80% such buildings. Very odd.
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What I simply don't understand is why high-income people who pay top dollar for housing in NYC let their buildings go to pot.
You don't understand it, because your premise is wrong. You don't get NYC, or urban living, or the preferences of the wealthy. I don't know of any high-income people who live in derelict buildings, anywhere. And you can't even tell if a building is nice or not from the exterior, so you make no sense. You could have a gorgeous Architectural Digest-level loft in some graffiti-laden factory building, and you could have a disgusting dump in some brand-new building immaculate from the outside.
And those 50's-60's buildings in NYC you seem to particularly hate are actually the cheapest buildings. Prewar and more recent buildings are far more expensive. Zillionaires are rarely living in those white/red brick midrises.
Also, I've spent years living in large European cities. Vienna, Paris, etc. don't have derelict apartment buildings in prime areas. Central Vienna, where I lived (in a building built in the 1800s), is beautiful.
In Vienna they went into a frenzy of resurfacing facades starting around 2000. I think it is a sort of thing that matters to millenials, worldwide. Before that, the 1800s buildings actually looked like the 1800s buildings. I grew up in a city that used to be a part of the empire of which Vienna was the center, so I grew up in the same thing. I miss unrenovated buildings in Vienna - as I said, their appearance was a mark of historic continuity.
Also, I've spent years living in large European cities. Vienna, Paris, etc. don't have derelict apartment buildings in prime areas. Central Vienna, where I lived (in a building built in the 1800s), is beautiful.
Yes, there are no derelict apartment buildings in the prime neighborhoods of Europe.
Witness Naples. Just immaculate. If only 57th Street could look like Naples...
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