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Exactly. They were only planning the second avenue line for over what 50 years? And when they finally started on the ues second Avenue construction how long did that take? 15 years? So as i said before they should have kept going up.
Yea, they definitely should have done that—breaking it up into as many phases as they did just means you have to reassemble the entire team and equipment again which is really costly.
NY will never get another subway station, first as to a pandemic, nothing spreads it better. Second, I expect the population to decrease..long-term. Third, less mass transit = less rioting. It was used during the 2020 riots to get around.
Exactly. They were only planning the second avenue line for over what 50 years? And when they finally started on the ues second Avenue construction how long did that take? 15 years? So as i said before they should have kept going up.
When it was being built I called it the Subway for the UES people because thats who it really benafits. It will never make it to other neighborhoods. The lower income neighborhoods who really need an additional train line get nothing but the money on the UES gets 2!
. . .or get mentally disturbed homeless people off the streets into permanent mental
institutions.
nor get illegal guns off the streets & out of the hands of violent criminals (as young as
teenage years] in "these specific neighborhoods..." -- and, always the same story: "no arrests have been made..."
- we found bin laden
- and tracked-down al big daddy
....but we can't find the evil bastard(s) who gun down people for fun in crown heights,
brownsville, east nyawk, flatbush, etc....da bronx.....etc... with their illegal guns
that saturate their neighborhoods...
evil gun toting domestic terrorist list is endless...
Elevated train lines are dirty, noisy and depress property values and RE development. You only have to look at difference between UWS and much of Harlem where Broadway subway replaced elevated line, and 8th avenue was built from start totally underground, compared to UES east of Lexington avenue.
Plan was for both Third and Second avenue els to come down with SAS replacing. They tore down the elevated train lines, but for various reasons SAS never was completed and that was that; Yorkville/UES remained largely frozen in time. This in contrast to huge amount of development that has taken place since SAS opened, and more is still in pipeline.
Here are some pictures taken of UES/Yorkville in 1980's. You can see clearly not much really changed since before WWII or years immediately after. Part of that reason was lack of subway access. People just didn't want to trek from East End, York, First, and Second at least twice a day M-F over to Lexington for the IRT.
Other thing was that local Yorkville residents may have been happy for the Els to come down, but they didn't want SAS for various reasons. Most common given was they feared what ease of transit access would do to their area, and of course they were right.
Since SAS opened RE values from Third going east have skyrocketed. Yorkville late as 1990's and early 2000's was still considered one of the few remaining affordable areas in Manhattan below 125th street. This was evidenced by large numbers of working and middle class households, recent college grads/young people, single adults, etc... That has changed as rents are going up....
Also since SAS opened have seen more and more sketchy/suspect people roaming about, especially along Second, First and York. This comes as no surprise as "Q" train even before covid-19 had a good supply of homeless.
Elevated train lines are dirty, noisy and depress property values and RE development. You only have to look at difference between UWS and much of Harlem where Broadway subway replaced elevated line, and 8th avenue was built from start totally underground, compared to UES east of Lexington avenue.
Plan was for both Third and Second avenue els to come down with SAS replacing. They tore down the elevated train lines, but for various reasons SAS never was completed and that was that; Yorkville/UES remained largely frozen in time. This in contrast to huge amount of development that has taken place since SAS opened, and more is still in pipeline.
Here are some pictures taken of UES/Yorkville in 1980's. You can see clearly not much really changed since before WWII or years immediately after. Part of that reason was lack of subway access. People just didn't want to trek from East End, York, First, and Second at least twice a day M-F over to Lexington for the IRT.
Other thing was that local Yorkville residents may have been happy for the Els to come down, but they didn't want SAS for various reasons. Most common given was they feared what ease of transit access would do to their area, and of course they were right.
Since SAS opened RE values from Third going east have skyrocketed. Yorkville late as 1990's and early 2000's was still considered one of the few remaining affordable areas in Manhattan below 125th street. This was evidenced by large numbers of working and middle class households, recent college grads/young people, single adults, etc... That has changed as rents are going up....
Also since SAS opened have seen more and more sketchy/suspect people roaming about, especially along Second, First and York. This comes as no surprise as "Q" train even before covid-19 had a good supply of homeless.
It's time for a light rail in the city. Unfortunately there is no room. They have one planned for downtown brookykn
It's time for a light rail in the city. Unfortunately there is no room. They have one planned for downtown brookykn
I don't think there are many places in the city where light rail make a particularly good amount of sense outside of Staten Island and Eastern Queens because light rail is generally for smaller capacity needs.
What really makes sense for NYC and several other cities, especially older ones, in the US is to turn their commuter rail systems into regional express rail / S-Bahn type systems where the interlined shared tracks of multiple commuter rail services end up acting like heavy rail rapid transit within the urban core and key corridors. There's actually already one fairly easy one to do which is NJT Train and LIRR linking some of their lines so that they run through the core with passengers onboard. NJT actually currently runs multiple trains east of Penn Station and out to Queens because turning trains around is so inefficient in Penn Station. They do that with no passenger service on the way to and back from Penn Station and Queens. That's pretty absurd. Linking these trips takes very little actual technical work, but the real issue is organizational infighting.
If the organizational issues can be figured out, then the next step is to run trains that can do dual-mode electrification, and the somewhat bigger investment would be to have an East Side Manhattan and LIC stations for that combined line. A bigger investment after reorganizing the commuter rail systems that would be immensely useful would be running through-running track south of Grand Central with a few additional stations in Manhattan and then under the river to Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn. That would be an incredibly useful line and what should have been done instead of what they're doing with East Side Access's massive bi-level platforms spread between two massive caverns.
Elevated train lines are dirty, noisy and depress property values and RE development. You only have to look at difference between UWS and much of Harlem where Broadway subway replaced elevated line, and 8th avenue was built from start totally underground, compared to UES east of Lexington avenue.
Plan was for both Third and Second avenue els to come down with SAS replacing. They tore down the elevated train lines, but for various reasons SAS never was completed and that was that; Yorkville/UES remained largely frozen in time. This in contrast to huge amount of development that has taken place since SAS opened, and more is still in pipeline.
Here are some pictures taken of UES/Yorkville in 1980's. You can see clearly not much really changed since before WWII or years immediately after. Part of that reason was lack of subway access. People just didn't want to trek from East End, York, First, and Second at least twice a day M-F over to Lexington for the IRT.
Other thing was that local Yorkville residents may have been happy for the Els to come down, but they didn't want SAS for various reasons. Most common given was they feared what ease of transit access would do to their area, and of course they were right.
Since SAS opened RE values from Third going east have skyrocketed. Yorkville late as 1990's and early 2000's was still considered one of the few remaining affordable areas in Manhattan below 125th street. This was evidenced by large numbers of working and middle class households, recent college grads/young people, single adults, etc... That has changed as rents are going up....
Also since SAS opened have seen more and more sketchy/suspect people roaming about, especially along Second, First and York. This comes as no surprise as "Q" train even before covid-19 had a good supply of homeless.
I love how you write everything as factual versus it being your opinion.
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