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Not THAT type of socialism. I've heard that arguement from you leftists before. You preach about the benefits of northern European countries the size of our cities, yet fail to ever mention any of the negatives. Fyi, those northern european countries are as capitalistic as you can get.
Exactly the point. You're misusing the word. We're not.
Right, but what party wants to be like any of those countries's governments? Most people who want an authoritarian government are whack-a-doodle. However, an arguably more expansive baseline of social welfare isn't crazy and is practiced among many democratic countries such as Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Canada, New Zealand and others. Their government systems are generally democratic and their public investment in things like healthcare, housing, education and infrastructure are generally greater per capita than here in the US.
The difference between their societies and ours is they do not engage in the kind of class warfare the left does here in NY. NYS budget is almost 200 billion, NYC's is almost 100 billion. With that kind of money you can't tell me with a straight face that somehow we don't have enough to fix healthcare, fix schools, build subways or expand renewable energy.
All the ads for "taxing the rich" are run by the usual suspects. Every cent that gets raised is going right into a pension fund or pork projects.
The difference between their societies and ours is they do not engage in the kind of class warfare the left does here in NY. NYS budget is almost 200 billion, NYC's is almost 100 billion. With that kind of money you can't tell me with a straight face that somehow we don't have enough to fix healthcare, fix schools, build subways or expand renewable energy.
All the ads for "taxing the rich" are run by the usual suspects. Every cent that gets raised is going right into a pension fund or pork projects.
I'm not sure what you're defining as class warfare since that term gets used in a pretty wide gamut of situations. I'm also not sure that if you define what class warfare means to you, that those countries don't have such--or didn't have such. In some senses, the class warfare may have occurred, again depending on how you defined such, and ultimately the working and middle class prevailed over the extremely wealthy if things like Gini coefficients are anything to go by.
I agree there are pork and pension issues and that our budget doesn't go as far as it should though "every cent that gets raised is going right into a pension fund or pork projects" is pretty wide off the mark even though it should be much, much wider off the mark.
Healthcare is not really "fixable" in a reasonable manner on just a state or municipal level given how healthcare is legally and economically structured.
There are myriad issues with the schools that aren't necessarily a school funding issue though even with that NYC schools have been getting better by most metrics. I do think there are some problems that are within the school system's ability to fix with the proper funding though I don't know how politically and economically feasible they would be even though there's research to back some of this (like having either a lengthened school year and possibly school day as well as a bevy of after school programs).
We have built subways, but like almost all major transportation funding within the US, the costs seem to escalate in a way that is well and above what other developed countries have so I'm hesitant to say that's really a municipal or state issue per se as it is a national one, but I do have a lot of issues with some of the ways MTA has done things including capital construction (the silver lining here is that well after the major projects have occurred, MTA seems to have warmed up to a design-build kind of operation and so the third track / LIRR grade crossing removal projects have come under budget and ahead of time so far). I do have problems with the short-term funding aspect of it instead of longer longitudinal planning and projects, but that requires a kind of dedicated funding stream that I think would also necessitate federal funding--which is well-deserved as NYS has been a massive net federal contributor versus federal spending and has been for a very long time though maybe even if that was there, MTA would have still stupidly decided to split Second Avenue Subway into four phases instead of the maximum of 2 it should have been. I also have an issue with the balkanization and fiefdoms that the Tri-State area has for its transit system and the lack of coherent regional planning that's occurred because of such. It's insane to me that NJT and LIRR are not doing mostly through-running in Penn Station or that when 9/11 left that destruction in its wake, there wasn't the silver lining of linking the electrically and physically compatible IRT 6 and PATH-WTC trains as a through-running operation.
I think taxing the very, very rich much, much more is fine as it works great for a lot of other countries and that proof is in the pudding--but only on the federal level. I generally think Cuomo is a blowhard, but on this I somewhat agree, because very heavily taxing the rich on just a state or municipal level is potentially dangerous territory in the US. It's especially icy territory since SALT deductions have essentially been removed by the current federal administration and with nothing to replace such.
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The difference between their societies and ours is they do not engage in the kind of class warfare the left does here in NY. NYS budget is almost 200 billion, NYC's is almost 100 billion. With that kind of money you can't tell me with a straight face that somehow we don't have enough to fix healthcare, fix schools, build subways or expand renewable energy.
All the ads for "taxing the rich" are run by the usual suspects. Every cent that gets raised is going right into a pension fund or pork projects.
The error in thinking here is that there hasn't been an all out class war, against the middle class for the past 50 years. The only difference is that the condition has been brought to the surface. It has been obvious to anyone paying attention that legalized transfer of wealth to the top has been a thing for quite a long time.
Liberalism is slowly becoming more like Chinese communism but they're using the progressive marketing to get people hooked. If you look at China, the Cultural Movement back in the 60s is just like today with all the antifa and so called "liberals" canceling people who disagrees with them. If you disagreed with Chinese communism back then people will report you and all friends and family will excommunicate with you in fear of being rounded up by the government. That was cancel culture in China in the 60s! Today liberals practice the same behavior if you disagreed with them.
You can't make a valid criticism of Biden or Obama to a liberal, they won't accept any. Just ask Twitter, how long have they censored negative criticism of Biden and Obama in the past. Any independent news feeds that report on Biden are banned by Twitter.
Liberalism is slowly becoming more like Chinese communism but they're using the progressive marketing to get people hooked. If you look at China, the Cultural Movement back in the 60s is just like today with all the antifa and so called "liberals" canceling people who disagrees with them. If you disagreed with Chinese communism back then people will report you and all friends and family will excommunicate with you in fear of being rounded up by the government. That was cancel culture in China in the 60s! Today liberals practice the same behavior if you disagreed with them.
You can't make a valid criticism of Biden or Obama to a liberal, they won't accept any. Just ask Twitter, how long have they censored negative criticism of Biden and Obama in the past. Any independent news feeds that report on Biden are banned by Twitter.
Doesn't seem like it to me. There's no single cult of personality and idea of largesse and credit given to a central figure, nor is there the abrogation of democratic principles, and rejection of scientific consensus for ideological grounds. That sounds like the modern day Republican party on the federal level which is why as someone who is virulently against the CCP stemming from family reasons, I am also virulently against the current incarnation of the Republican party on the federal level.
Doesn't seem like it to me. There's no single cult of personality and idea of largesse and credit given to a central figure, nor is there the abrogation of democratic principles, and rejection of scientific consensus for ideological grounds. That sounds like the modern day Republican party on the federal level which is why as someone who is virulently against the CCP stemming from family reasons, I am also virulently against the current incarnation of the Republican party on the federal level.
That's true. The Republican personality cult is truly disgusting. Nice that the Democrats don't have that (yet?) Still, I'm also seeing more and more of what's wrong with the Republicans coming from the Democrats lately. They've learned from the Republicans that lying pays. Even formerly reputable media outlets are obviously slanting the news, or burying news that doesn't suit them. The democratic principles thing is also a little shaky for them. We just recently had DeBlasio going to the Board of Elections, asking if he can shut down early voting in a heavily Republican part of Brooklyn. This was supposedly due to the COVID cluster, but considering the same people line up at grocery stores no problem, it seemed a little sketchy. Thankfully this idea fell through, but it leaves a bad taste anyway. And how about their stance on protesting - it's OK for some groups, but if others try it the police will be right over. And don't even get me started on cancel culture. To my knowledge, more people have lost jobs due to being conservative than to being liberal. I actually can't recall any cases where someone got fired over making really gross (but liberal) statements, not even the ones that skirted very close to inciting violence.
There was some reform, but I don't think it was necessarily for the best especially when it comes to US foreign policy where we've alienated allies and the economic shifting that's occurred from a protectionist US economy that was poorly thought out in terms of how it was done. The re-shifting of supply lines for the likes of China is a temporary pain spot for them (and US), but it also means that ultimately it redirected and strengthened supply chains without the US involved or having future say in a lot of things. It makes sense that the US had a rough start--the Trump administration had cut out its CDC people on the ground in China as well as the executive branch agency responsible for pandemic responses in the years prior to the pandemic which in retrospect was a terrible move. You even had the former head of the executive branch agency writing in the WSJ an op-ed prior to the pandemic making its way here that we need to start taking precautionary measures immediately, but why was it in a WSJ op-ed instead of said directly in WH meeting and with action taken? Because that agency had been folded in the previous years under the Trump administration. The administration inherited an economy that was already tracking strong positive growth with solid baseline indicators. They also pulled the easiest levers they can to juice an economy that did not need that kind of juicing if macroeconomic countercyclical moves really are the right way to create a robust economy. Unfortunately, we're now in another kind of recession and our easiest levers have already been pulled which to me seems like they made some incredibly poor economic decisions prior to the pandemic.
I'm curious, do you have friends or relatives who are part of Falun Gong?
I'm curious, what triggered you to bringing up this?
I know nobody remotely associated with this predatory and despicable organization. I know they suffer hugely under ccp, but I cannot care less if you understand how it operates. Nothing is more entertaining for me than watching despicable forces fighting and cancelling each other.
Anybody interested in betting a couple dollars on Flushing coming out red by the end of election?...If so, please PM me your bank account info.......
I doubt Flushing will go red. Bayside, Whitestone, and Douglaston on the other hand.....
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