Southern Brooklynites, Staten Islanders call for fast ferry between two boroughs (New York: how much, transfer)
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Southern Brooklynites and Staten Islanders have at least one thing in common — they both want a fast ferry!
“Staten Island’s fast ferry service is a crucial step in reducing our reliance on cars and supporting a 21st Century Transportation future,” said Rose Uscianowski, Transportation Alternatives’ Staten Island and southern Brooklyn organizer. “Now it’s time to honor Staten Island’s historic relationship with South Brooklyn by expanding South Ferry service between Staten Island and South Brooklyn.”
The non-profit organization Transportation Alternatives spearheaded a renewed call for fast ferry service at a press conference last week, where they were joined by local activist groups, state Sen. Andrew Gounardes, and even some Staten Islanders who made the trip to Bay Ridge to show their support.
Proponents of the idea say linking the two outer boroughs would ease congestion on the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge, and lessen the burden on residents who either have to take a trip into Manhattan for public transit, or dish out $20 in tolls when traveling both ways on the bridge.
“We need to organize our city so that public transit is first and foremost, right now we don’t see that as being the case especially between the outer boroughs, between Staten Island and Brooklyn,” said Daniel Loud, president of the Bay Ridge Environmental Group, “so this ferry would be a huge step in improving that.”
Wood launched a petition that has garnered nearly 4,000 signatures in support of a Staten Island-Brooklyn Ferry with many Staten Island signers arguing their need for more transportation options than just one highway to get into Brooklyn and the increased job opportunities they would have access to.
“It would increase job opportunities and social and cultural visiting between the two boroughs. Not to mention less need for a car all the time, a greener alternative,” one petitioner wrote.
Your bias is showing. None of the new ferries "break even" (they are heavily subsidized), even that one that goes to the Bronx in your borough, but not every neighborhood has a subway.
Your bias is showing. None of the new ferries "break even" (they are heavily subsidized), even that one that goes to the Bronx in your borough, but not every neighborhood has a subway.
No it's not. I know none of those ferries break even. So imagine this ferry, doesn't even stand a chance.
I think one thing to look at is the NYC ferry and where the built stops are and where the coming routes are. There are coming routes to St. George and across the waters we have ferry stops in the Rockaways, Bay Ridge, and Sunset Park. With that, what's the most reasonable extension of that ferry system? I was thinking take the coming new St. George ferry and ping pong to Bay Ridge (ferry stop for the South Brooklyn line) and then a new ferry terminal near thhe Clifton SIR stop where it's close enough to the shore for a transfer and also have that as a new one-stop extension of the South Brooklyn line from the Bay Ridge terminus. Go nuts and extent one of the Pier 11 terminating lines to end up in this new Clifton stop as well.
Something I'm interested in are the restriction and scheduling of boats along the East River and the greater New York Bay. How much of an issue would it be for the NYC ferry system's St. George ferries to cross the existing Staten Island Ferry's path to service the Bay Ridge ferry stop?
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I think one thing to look at is the NYC ferry and where the built stops are and where the coming routes are. There are coming routes to St. George and across the waters we have ferry stops in the Rockaways, Bay Ridge, and Sunset Park. With that, what's the most reasonable extension of that ferry system? I was thinking take the coming new St. George ferry and ping pong to Bay Ridge (ferry stop for the South Brooklyn line) and then a new ferry terminal near thhe Clifton SIR stop where it's close enough to the shore for a transfer and also have that as a new one-stop extension of the South Brooklyn line from the Bay Ridge terminus. Go nuts and extent one of the Pier 11 terminating lines to end up in this new Clifton stop as well.
Something I'm interested in are the restriction and scheduling of boats along the East River and the greater New York Bay. How much of an issue would it be for the NYC ferry system's St. George ferries to cross the existing Staten Island Ferry's path to service the Bay Ridge ferry stop?
They should have St. George <-> Bay Ridge <-> Coney Island route, with a ferry stop that drops you off next to the Coney Island subway station. That way all legs of the service would actually be used individually, as that would also be the fastest CI - Bay Ridge commute, since there is no cross Brooklyn subway. Right now the only other way is to go through Manhattan, which is completely not ideal, especially considering the South Brooklyn/Staten Island overlap in populations.
They should have St. George <-> Bay Ridge <-> Coney Island route, with a ferry stop that drops you off next to the Coney Island subway station. That way all legs of the service would actually be used individually, as that would also be the fastest CI - Bay Ridge commute, since there is no cross Brooklyn subway. Right now the only other way is to go through Manhattan, which is completely not ideal, especially considering the South Brooklyn/Staten Island overlap in populations.
That route seems sensible to me, though I don't see how a Coney Island ferry stop can get any closer than about a half mile to the subway stop. For the most part, it seems like connecting the ferry stops to NYC subway stations with a short, easy transfer is generally going to be pretty rare. I think the ones somewhat close to the waterfront with a less than five minute walk would be St. George and maybe Clifton and out down in Tottenville for SIR, the stops out on the Rockaways which does have the ferry stop, Roosevelt Island's F train stop which also has an existing ferry stop, and Whitehall R / South Ferry 1. I don't think there's much else aside from those.
That route seems sensible to me, though I don't see how a Coney Island ferry stop can get any closer than about a half mile to the subway stop. For the most part, it seems like connecting the ferry stops to NYC subway stations with a short, easy transfer is generally going to be pretty rare. I think the ones somewhat close to the waterfront with a less than five minute walk would be St. George and maybe Clifton and out down in Tottenville for SIR, the stops out on the Rockaways which does have the ferry stop, Roosevelt Island's F train stop which also has an existing ferry stop, and Whitehall R / South Ferry 1. I don't think there's much else aside from those.
Yeah the ferry would stop roughly within a 10min walk of the station, but I think it is still a closer route for a lot of south Brooklyn neighborhoods, since you'd be able to take Q/F/N trains down to CI and walk to the ferry. The Bay Ridge stop can't be used that easily from Midwood/Sheapshead Bay/Gravesend/Homecrest and frankly even Bensonhurst, since its not convenient to get to from the eastern side neighborhoods. Not to mention CI itself is a fairly busy stop. All of this also beats the current route, which is a loop into Manhattan.
Yeah the ferry would stop roughly within a 10min walk of the station, but I think it is still a closer route for a lot of south Brooklyn neighborhoods, since you'd be able to take Q/F/N trains down to CI and walk to the ferry. The Bay Ridge stop can't be used that easily from Midwood/Sheapshead Bay/Gravesend/Homecrest and frankly even Bensonhurst, since its not convenient to get to from the eastern side neighborhoods. Not to mention CI itself is a fairly busy stop. All of this also beats the current route, which is a loop into Manhattan.
Ah, makes sense. There is a Coney Island ferry route coming (no stop in Staten Island) though, so there will be that ferry station built.
I think maybe an extension of this to Bay Ridge and Coney Island might be pretty reasonable.
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None of the new ferries "break even" (they are heavily subsidized), even that one that goes to the Bronx in your borough, but not every neighborhood has a subway.
