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Old 04-05-2022, 01:18 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Isn't Pepper Spray illegal in NYC?
It has to say, "New York Grade" on it. I say, forget the pepper spray - get bear spray!
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Old 04-05-2022, 01:37 PM
 
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It has to say, "New York Grade" on it. I say, forget the pepper spray - get bear spray!
Bear spray is not legal in the city .

Whether you care is another thing , plus the canisters are much larger and shoot farther making the odds greater of hitting others

10 NYCRR 54.3. Requirements.

Every self-defense spray device which is purchased, possessed or used in
New York State shall satisfy all of the following requirements:

(a) Every self-defense spray device shall contain oleoresin capsicum,and no other substance, as the active ingredient.

(b) The contents of every self-defense spray device shall not contain more than 0.7 percent by weight total capsaicinoids."


The penalty for using bear spray is:

Because unlawfully possessing a noxious material is a class B misdemeanor if you are convicted you could be sent to jail for up to 3 months and you may be ordered to pay a fine of up to $500. It is also possible that in lieu of jail the court may order you to serve a probation term of 1 year

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Old 04-05-2022, 07:09 PM
 
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Bear spray is not legal in the city .

Whether you care is another thing , plus the canisters are much larger and shoot farther making the odds greater of hitting others

10 NYCRR 54.3. Requirements.

Every self-defense spray device which is purchased, possessed or used in
New York State shall satisfy all of the following requirements:

(a) Every self-defense spray device shall contain oleoresin capsicum,and no other substance, as the active ingredient.

(b) The contents of every self-defense spray device shall not contain more than 0.7 percent by weight total capsaicinoids."


The penalty for using bear spray is:

Because unlawfully possessing a noxious material is a class B misdemeanor if you are convicted you could be sent to jail for up to 3 months and you may be ordered to pay a fine of up to $500. It is also possible that in lieu of jail the court may order you to serve a probation term of 1 year
Serious question - what, then, is a legally acceptable way of defending yourself in NYC? Suppose a thug on the subway tries to mug me or do me physical harm and I use pepper spray on him? What if I hit him with a hammer? Given that ordinary, law abiding citizens in New York are basically not allowed to have a firearm for concealed carry, the options are limited.
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Old 04-05-2022, 08:53 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Serious question - what, then, is a legally acceptable way of defending yourself in NYC? Suppose a thug on the subway tries to mug me or do me physical harm and I use pepper spray on him? What if I hit him with a hammer? Given that ordinary, law abiding citizens in New York are basically not allowed to have a firearm for concealed carry, the options are limited.
“Grade NYC” pepper spray. I bought one but NYC grade is kind of small.
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Old 04-06-2022, 12:07 AM
 
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So I’m supposed to follow the rules, when some savage who is t following the rules or sprays me with bear spray?
No thanks, I’ll carry anything non lethal that is deemed illegal in nyc. Bear spray? No problem.
Actually, wasp nest spray works good too I hear, and it’s legal
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Old 04-06-2022, 01:56 AM
 
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Serious question - what, then, is a legally acceptable way of defending yourself in NYC? Suppose a thug on the subway tries to mug me or do me physical harm and I use pepper spray on him? What if I hit him with a hammer? Given that ordinary, law abiding citizens in New York are basically not allowed to have a firearm for concealed carry, the options are limited.
Everything is a different shade of grey , it’s never black and white ..if he has just his hands , you can have just your hands ..if he has a stick you can can have a stick , and so on and so on.

Ny self defense laws are based on an equal use of force …..

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Old 04-06-2022, 03:05 AM
 
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“Grade NYC” pepper spray. I bought one but NYC grade is kind of small.
The laws specify that they can’t be any bigger then fits in a normal pocket
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Old 04-06-2022, 03:15 AM
 
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So I’m supposed to follow the rules, when some savage who is t following the rules or sprays me with bear spray?
No thanks, I’ll carry anything non lethal that is deemed illegal in nyc. Bear spray? No problem.
Actually, wasp nest spray works good too I hear, and it’s legal
Wrong , wasp spray is not legal .

It is a violation of federal law to use a pesticide in a manner that differs from the product labeling (and it is labeled for wasps, hornets, yellow jackets) if there was a reaction like blindness you could have big problem..

1. There’s no research to suggest wasp spray would stop an attacker.

2. Using a pesticide in a manner other than according to labeled directions is a violation of federal law (the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act).

3. It is illegal (finable offense) for anyone to recommend a use other than the labeled use.

4. Personal liability is likely to be significant for a person who deliberately sprays another person with a pesticide.

If it happens to cause, say retina damage to an eye, you have then used deadly force because permanent, serious physical injuries resulted. Since it is not approved for humans and never tested on humans you do not have the defense you would if O.C Spray cause the same result.

5. Pesticides such as wasp spray have not been tested on humans. Direct human toxicity data comes from records of accidental exposures and suicide attempts.
6. Poison control records document an amazing number of people who have accidentally sprayed themselves or innocent bystanders when using aerosol cans. An emergency may exacerbate that reaction.
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Old 04-06-2022, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Pepper spray combined with basic self-defense training would make a better combo.
Flushing fitness center and Asian real estate organization partner to host self-defense training class for women

https://qns.com/2022/04/flushing-fit...ass-for-women/
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Old 04-06-2022, 04:17 PM
 
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Most civilians don’t train enough to make self defense skills useful .

How you train is how you fight , always
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