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Old 04-10-2022, 09:01 PM
 
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Sure. They don't work because they're still needed. Worldwide they don't work. I thought the point of prison was supposed to be a deterrent to committing crime. Then why are they still full? Because people profit off of others being locked up, prisons are a cash cow and a lot of people would be out of a job if we solved the traumas that caused people to commit crimes. Detaining people against their will is an archaic practice and criminal in itself.
So what exactly are the "traumas" that cause certain people to commit crimes? And if detaining them is not a suitable option in your view, what alternatives would you propose to keep society safe from violent offenders?
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:18 PM
 
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None of this really proves that high testosterone causes crime, however. It just states that high testosterone is found in people that commit violent crimes. Where's the proof that having a high level of testosterone makes people commit violent crime, instead of trauma?

From your second link:

"Conclusion: Testosterone is related to criminal violence and aggressive dominance in prison among women, as has been reported among men. Changes in these behaviors with age are in part explained by a decline in testosterone levels."

Related to - but not the cause of.

If high testosterone caused crime by itself, then every athlete from the NHL, to the Olympics worldwide would have violent criminal records. Nice try though.
Well, in the NFL they practically all do.
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:25 PM
 
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So what exactly are the "traumas" that cause certain people to commit crimes? And if detaining them is not a suitable option in your view, what alternatives would you propose to keep society safe from violent offenders?
It has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, everybody is not going to experience the same traumas, everybody lives different lives

The only alternative is to fix the particular trauma that afflicts that person.
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:28 PM
 
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Well, in the NFL they practically all do.
"A 2015 University of Texas, Dallas study found that NFL players actually have a lower arrest rate than population at large."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ar...g-for-the-nfl/
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:30 PM
 
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So you do know how to google after all.
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:31 PM
 
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So you do know how to google after all.
And I know how to post links
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Old 04-11-2022, 01:21 AM
 
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Guns and kids? Why not call it an American problem?
Although more people are murdered in N.Y.C. by thugs than school massacres combined across the country
you raise a good point.

Spot on................bring back Stop an Frisk Nationwide and let's fix this American Problem once an for all............

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Old 04-11-2022, 05:04 AM
 
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Although more people are murdered in N.Y.C. by thugs than school massacres combined across the country
you raise a good point.

Spot on................bring back Stop an Frisk Nationwide and let's fix this American Problem once an for all............
If you cant teach them to behave, have them living in fear of being stopped. IM fine with that.
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Old 04-11-2022, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Montreal
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Prisons and jails work great. It's why we have one of the greatest societies in human existence.

But I don’t get that on the one hand, you find that the system is hunky dory, and OTH you complain of the high crime.

If I had to pick out the items on a list that makes the US a great society, I would make sure to hide the incarceration numbers and the crime stats.
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Old 04-11-2022, 05:18 AM
 
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But I don’t get that on the one hand, you find that the system is hunky dory, and OTH you complain of the high crime.

If I had to pick out the items on a list that makes the US a great society, I would make sure to hide the incarceration numbers and the crime stats.
Solution to a problem is sterilizing some of these children at birth. Its a real solution to a problem,. but then you get ethics freaks crying for justice and equality.
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