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Old 04-12-2022, 09:45 AM
 
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You're contradicting yourself.

If trauma is the cause of violent crime, then why are there plenty (I'm much greater numbers) of people in NYC who experienced said "traumas" and do not commit violent crime?

No one buys this bull**** argument apart from the same subset who condones this behavior or the offending community (as a defensive mechanism).

When the Italian mob was around, did the gangsters act based on
"Traumas"? I've never really heard an Italian person excuse their behavior because of "traumas".

In fact, I used to work with a colleague whose father was fresh of the boat from Italy (got deported once and came back) who ran a " social club" for members. Never once heard him excuse what the mob did because of "traumas".

I have another experiment for you. Go to south Brooklyn and ask the eastern Europeans and Albanians about criminals amongst their ranks and if they do what they do because of "trauma". My hunch is they'll.laugh in your face and think you're psychologically compromised.

You excuse the behavior as due to "traumas" because you don't like to hold your own community responsible. "God forbid I make the whiteys feel like they're right..." Don't worry about what others think. If your own community wanted to solve this problem, it could. The first step is to admit there's a problem
His argument was that incarceration is big business and a money making machine and it is.

You’re going off on a rail just as much as you claim others do.
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Old 04-12-2022, 09:47 AM
 
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Niger, Chad, Uganda, Ethiopia, likely have minimal welfare programs- but the highest birth rates around.
Poor people make more poor people- we should be discouraging the root of generational poverty and certainly not incentivizing it with more state-funded welfare schemes; but the problem exists well without those.
I know plenty of Ethiopians and they’re very nice people and not violent criminals at all.

You are disgusting.
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Old 04-12-2022, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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"Becoming the NORM?"

3/8,804,190 = .000003407468%, hardly a norm.
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Old 04-12-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Esacni View Post
You're contradicting yourself.

If trauma is the cause of violent crime, then why are there plenty (I'm much greater numbers) of people in NYC who experienced said "traumas" and do not commit violent crime?

No one buys this bull**** argument apart from the same subset who condones this behavior or the offending community (as a defensive mechanism).

When the Italian mob was around, did the gangsters act based on
"Traumas"? I've never really heard an Italian person excuse their behavior because of "traumas".

In fact, I used to work with a colleague whose father was fresh of the boat from Italy (got deported once and came back) who ran a " social club" for members. Never once heard him excuse what the mob did because of "traumas".

I have another experiment for you. Go to south Brooklyn and ask the eastern Europeans and Albanians about criminals amongst their ranks and if they do what they do because of "trauma". My hunch is they'll.laugh in your face and think you're psychologically compromised.

You excuse the behavior as due to "traumas" because you don't like to hold your own community responsible. "God forbid I make the whiteys feel like they're right..." Don't worry about what others think. If your own community wanted to solve this problem, it could. The first step is to admit there's a problem
Italian mobsters don’t exactly act like operate like street gangs, solely for protection, a sense of belonging, and some sort of affirmation of themselves (I certainly could be wrong, admittedly).

Trauma and psychological damage is certainly linked to anti social behavior and family dysfunction. Any psychologist with a brain knows this.

No one is also blaming white folks. It’s already known that underprivileged groups have higher rates of crime.

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Old 04-12-2022, 03:21 PM
 
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His argument was that incarceration is big business and a money making machine and it is.

You’re going off on a rail just as much as you claim others do.
Incarceration being a business doesn't mean much in this context. Were discussing what leads people to commit crimes.


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Italian mobsters don’t exactly act like operate like street gangs, solely for protection, a sense of belonging, and some sort of affirmation of themselves (I certainly could be wrong, admittedly).

Trauma and psychological damage is certainly linked to anti social behavior and family dysfunction. Any psychologist with a brain knows this.

No one is also blaming white folks. It’s already known that underprivileged groups have higher rates of crime.
There are plenty of people who experience trauma and psychological damage who do not commit crimes. In fact, there are more of these people than those that do.

Trauma and psychological damage is correlated with criminal behavior. That doesn't mean it has a causative effect. In fact, the roof is simple. There are more people who experience trauma and psychological damage that do not commit crimes.

You can't claim trauma and psychological damage force people to commit crimes and then ignore the much larger group of people who experience the same and do not indulge in criminal behavior.

It's called arguing in bad faith.
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Old 04-12-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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Old 04-12-2022, 07:23 PM
 
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Trauma and psychological damage is correlated with criminal behavior. That doesn't mean it has a causative effect. In fact, the roof is simple. There are more people who experience trauma and psychological damage that do not commit crimes.
Post the proof
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Old 04-12-2022, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Queens, New York
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The Bronx.
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Old 04-20-2022, 10:54 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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This is the reality and it's sad
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Old 04-20-2022, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Islip Township
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I got a great Idea.
Drum roll
Make more gun laws.
Please skip the lie about ghost guns.
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