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You left out that Staten Islanders still hold on to that good old time racism.
It has nothing to do with SI being a suburban, middle class/blue collar area which leads to its conservatism and lack of votes for BHO. It must be the racism!
Staten Islanders are generally experienced long time working class New Yorkers. These people are heavy in the hard work, intelligence and experience department. Staten Islanders have been in the area a long time and many come from old world tenured cultures where centuries of experience are passed on from generation to generation. These people are not likely to consume a media blitz whole like an inexperienced college student who grew up in a vapid suburb, disconnected from his/her family history/knowledge. Staten Islanders are the polar opposite of the typically liberal leaning voters hailing from the 1960's New York welfare invasion who seek one free lunch after another. The other dominant group in this area is the 1990's liberal white collar invasion/Manhattan liberal who wants to feel good about themselves while having little experience with poverty and crime. These people vote liberal because their affluence protects them from the toxic effects of the programs they favor. Staten Islanders are mostly working-middle class and are directly affected by the programs of the disastrous 1960's great society social programs. They know how socialism will further erode culture and personal responsibility while creating a larger beaurocratic parasite.
Staten islanders watched government mortgage programs and liberal "free lunch" programs destroy working class Brooklyn from the inside with sloth and crime through the 60'-90's. Staten Islanders have the experience to know that the change Obama is talking about is a cultural destroyer. While the rest of the area consumes this poison whole the Staten Islander knows better. Staten Islanders know that we are all responsible for ourselves and do not need a government program to take charge of our family. Now the rest of he liberal Northeast, short on life experience but long on toxic education will slowly gain the knowledge that Staten Islanders mastered decades ago.
So right is right and left is wrong, Reps are good, Dems are bad.
It's this type of thinking that gets us no where in this country.
Staten Islanders are generally experienced long time working class New Yorkers. These people are heavy in the hard work, intelligence and experience department. Staten Islanders have been in the area a long time and many come from old world tenured cultures where centuries of experience are passed on from generation to generation. These people are not likely to consume a media blitz whole like an inexperienced college student who grew up in a vapid suburb, disconnected from his/her family history/knowledge. Staten Islanders are the polar opposite of the typically liberal leaning voters hailing from the 1960's New York welfare invasion who seek one free lunch after another. The other dominant group in this area is the 1990's liberal white collar invasion/Manhattan liberal who wants to feel good about themselves while having little experience with poverty and crime. These people vote liberal because their affluence protects them from the toxic effects of the programs they favor. Staten Islanders are mostly working-middle class and are directly affected by the programs of the disastrous 1960's great society social programs. They know how socialism will further erode culture and personal responsibility while creating a larger beaurocratic parasite.
Staten islanders watched government mortgage programs and liberal "free lunch" programs destroy working class Brooklyn from the inside with sloth and crime through the 60'-90's. Staten Islanders have the experience to know that the change Obama is talking about is a cultural destroyer. While the rest of the area consumes this poison whole the Staten Islander knows better. Staten Islanders know that we are all responsible for ourselves and do not need a government program to take charge of our family. Now the rest of he liberal Northeast, short on life experience but long on toxic education will slowly gain the knowledge that Staten Islanders mastered decades ago.
Heavy on work? Staten Island is a blue collar cesspool that nobody wants to go/move into. If the inhabitants were such hard workers and superior, they would have the money to move someplace nicer.
I wish Westchester or Hudson County was a borough of New York City instead. Staten Island is not NYC.
Why is everyone attacking people who dont vote Obama? Whether I like the guy, or I dont like the guy, he is my president now, and I accept that, and will give him a fair chance. I am an American and I support my president. But it seems like the "winning team" is chastising anyone who didnt vote for him or get teary eyed from the Obama hypnosis of 2008. Some of you have chosen to vote on the issues and the candidate and I respect that greatly. However others choose to hop on the Obama express bandwagon and vote to prove they are not racist. The typical 19 year old Billy from the suburbs loves Barack Obama even though he pays no taxes or does not pay for his college education. Or the middle aged white office worker votes for Obama even though it makes he/she feel good. These are the people who criticise those who are not Obama disciples. News flash: the election nonsense is over, so stick a sock in your mouth. Obama/Biden are in office, McCain/Palin are history, and we move forward and ignore who voted for who.
I see where you are all going with this though. Everyone loves picking on Staten Island because its the last solid refuge of middle class Italian America and you all froth at the mouth when there is a chance to attempt to prove Italians are racist. The Port Richmond/St George/Stapleton area contributed the Obama votes and the remainder of the Island (where the Italians live) will be McCain. So you are going after the Italian-Americans who voted on morals and family values due to their tradition and upbringing and I will set the record straight for you. Nobody is more racist than the next guy.
We forget that 50-75 years ago Italians were regarded by the rest of America as scum of the earth minority immigrants. It was the Italians, the Irish, the blacks at the bottom, which was determined by the rest of society. The Irish left first, then the Italians much later, and then the Hispanic population came. Everyone whines about the 6 letter word that starts with N. Well news flash Italians are called racial crap every day, and brush it off.
Put yourselves in the Italians shoes for a minute. Plenty of Italians used to work in black neighborhoods and have their lives threatened daily by muggings, etc, and no bystanders would help. Who was the cop killed at Mosque #7 in Harlem? An Italian American cop. Now are you going to tell me the blacks werent racist toward the Italian Americans in that situation? Of course you dont know this because nobody talks about this, and the book about it called "Murder at the Mosque" had all its copies bought up and magically disappeared (burned). Why are people afraid of these facts? Hate crime is hate crime.
So why have blacks been angry over the years at Italians? Well many Italians have been said to have comments thrown at them such as "your ancestors put mine into slavery". News flash the Italians came 50-150 years after slavery was abolished. There are plenty of crimes to go the other way to compensate for the Sharpton stabbing or all the stuff that goes down in Howard Beach. Racism/hate crimes go in both directions.
Italian Americans who are the implied Staten Islanders who voted McCain are still good people. They are salt of the earth native New Yorkers who risk their lives to put out fires in your homes, pick up garbage off the streets, curb crime in the hood, fix your elecricity, work banking/accounting jobs, be pediatricians to your kid, etc. Their ancestors are usually native Brooklynites who merged Italian culture with American culture and really set off New York as the new great city in the 1900s full of great food, character, and love. Wishing them gone is like wishing the heart and soul of NY gone so it can turn into some empty middle America void. Staten Islanders are good people. Get that through your head.
Double standard, you lose, stop attacking Staten Island with your question that tries to ask nicely. Leave whats left of Bensonhurst, Howard Beach, etc. too.
It is part of New York because it was annexed in 1898. Keep crying about it you are stuck with the black sheep child Staten Island.
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Originally Posted by kylehny
And why is it even part of NYC????
I was looking at the election results:
Obama won Manhattan by 86%, Queens 74%, Brooklyn 80%, Bronx 88%, as well as Westchester, Long Island, Fairfax, Bergen and every other city in the Northeast.
Heavy on work? Staten Island is a blue collar cesspool that nobody wants to go/move into. If the inhabitants were such hard workers and superior, they would have the money to move someplace nicer.
You're the one calling it a cesspool. Maybe your logic would make sense if the people who lived there felt the same way.
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I wish Westchester or Hudson County was a borough of New York City instead. Staten Island is not NYC.
You wish. Wish isn't reality. The reality is: Staten Island is a part of New York City.
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Originally Posted by vantastic10
Right on the money Joe Bama! Guy Molinari voted against making Martin Luther King Jr a holiday. He was the only member of the New York delegation to vote against it.
I thought MLK was great, but I don't think there should be a national holiday for him. How does disagreeing with giving him a holiday mean a person is racist? You might as well say all the people who didn't vote for Obama in the election are racist.
Why is everyone attacking people who dont vote Obama?
Whether I like the guy, or I dont like the guy, he is my president now, and I accept that, and will give him a fair chance. I am an American and I support my president. But it seems like the "winning team" is chastising anyone who didnt vote for him or get teary eyed from the Obama hypnosis of 2008.
I see where you are all going with this though. Everyone loves picking on Staten Island because its the last solid refuge of middle class Italian America and you all froth at the mouth when there is a chance to attempt to prove Italians are racist. The Port Richmond/St George/Stapleton area contributed the Obama votes and the remainder of the Island (where the Italians live) will be McCain. So you are going after the Italian-Americans who voted on morals and family values due to their tradition and upbringing and I will set the record straight for you. Nobody is more racist than the next guy.
We forget that 50-75 years ago Italians were regarded by the rest of America as scum of the earth minority immigrants. It was the Italians, the Irish, the blacks at the bottom, which was determined by the rest of society. The Irish left first, then the Italians much later, and then the Hispanic population came. Everyone whines about the 6 letter word that starts with N. Well news flash Italians are called racial crap every day, and brush it off.
Put yourselves in the Italians shoes for a minute. Plenty of Italians used to work in black neighborhoods and have their lives threatened daily by muggings, etc, and no bystanders would help. Who was the cop killed at Mosque #7 in Harlem? An Italian American cop. Now are you going to tell me the blacks werent racist toward the Italian Americans in that situation? Of course you dont know this because nobody talks about this, and the book about it called "Murder at the Mosque" had all its copies bought up and magically disappeared (burned). Why are people afraid of these facts? Hate crime is hate crime.
So why have blacks been angry over the years at Italians? Well many Italians have been said to have comments thrown at them such as "your ancestors put mine into slavery". News flash the Italians came 50-150 years after slavery was abolished. There are plenty of crimes to go the other way to compensate for the Sharpton stabbing or all the stuff that goes down in Howard Beach. Racism/hate crimes go in both directions.
Italian Americans who are the implied Staten Islanders who voted McCain are still good people. Get that through your head.
Double standard, you lose, stop attacking Staten Island with your question that tries to ask nicely. Leave whats left of Bensonhurst, Howard Beach, etc. too.
It is part of New York because it was annexed in 1898. Keep crying about it you are stuck with the black sheep child Staten Island.
What does (an extremely tiny) percent of them being mugged by African-Americans 50 years ago have to do with Obama?
They hate Obama because a few of them were mugged by an African-American thug decades ago? Never mind Obama is clearly a more intelligent and superior candidate.........but [insert Italian name] was mugged by a guy the same color as Obama 50 years ago..
You're making them out to be dumber than I thought, and I have always had a very negative opinion of that cesspool. Ugh, I really hate that hell hole.
So why have blacks been angry over the years at Italians? Well many Italians have been said to have comments thrown at them such as "your ancestors put mine into slavery". News flash the Italians came 50-150 years after slavery was abolished.
I completely agree, that slavery comment has been thrown at me many times sadly, some times in a joke and some times seriously. And I just say that my Italian ancestors got here (America) way after yours, so exactly how did I put your ancestors in slavery?
I wish Westchester or Hudson County was a borough of New York City instead. Staten Island is not NYC.
And, Westchester is not NYC. It never wanted to be part of the city as the county ceded land to New York County in the 1870s and the 1890s. These lands were rechristened as a new county in the early 20th Century, known today as The Bronx. So, judging by history and a strong sense of independence, there's no way Westchester would want to be part of the city for a myriad of reasons.
Plus, not everyone who lives on Staten Island is a blue collar "unenllightened" person, since I have met many doctors, lawyers, and finance types who call SI home. There are some nice communities on SI, so generalizing it as a "cesspool" is a bit of a stretch. And, this is coming from someone with no ties whatsoever to SI.
And, the median income on SI is much higher than Hudson County and Union City which is part of Hudson County. Plus, the poverty rates are higher in Hudson and Union City than on SI. So, which would one want contributing to the city's coffers through the city income tax? Hmm...
Why is everyone attacking people who dont vote Obama? Whether I like the guy, or I dont like the guy, he is my president now, and I accept that, and will give him a fair chance. I am an American and I support my president. But it seems like the "winning team" is chastising anyone who didnt vote for him or get teary eyed from the Obama hypnosis of 2008. Some of you have chosen to vote on the issues and the candidate and I respect that greatly. However others choose to hop on the Obama express bandwagon and vote to prove they are not racist. The typical 19 year old Billy from the suburbs loves Barack Obama even though he pays no taxes or does not pay for his college education. Or the middle aged white office worker votes for Obama even though it makes he/she feel good. These are the people who criticise those who are not Obama disciples. News flash: the election nonsense is over, so stick a sock in your mouth. Obama/Biden are in office, McCain/Palin are history, and we move forward and ignore who voted for who.
I see where you are all going with this though. Everyone loves picking on Staten Island because its the last solid refuge of middle class Italian America and you all froth at the mouth when there is a chance to attempt to prove Italians are racist. The Port Richmond/St George/Stapleton area contributed the Obama votes and the remainder of the Island (where the Italians live) will be McCain. So you are going after the Italian-Americans who voted on morals and family values due to their tradition and upbringing and I will set the record straight for you. Nobody is more racist than the next guy.
We forget that 50-75 years ago Italians were regarded by the rest of America as scum of the earth minority immigrants. It was the Italians, the Irish, the blacks at the bottom, which was determined by the rest of society. The Irish left first, then the Italians much later, and then the Hispanic population came. Everyone whines about the 6 letter word that starts with N. Well news flash Italians are called racial crap every day, and brush it off.
Put yourselves in the Italians shoes for a minute. Plenty of Italians used to work in black neighborhoods and have their lives threatened daily by muggings, etc, and no bystanders would help. Who was the cop killed at Mosque #7 in Harlem? An Italian American cop. Now are you going to tell me the blacks werent racist toward the Italian Americans in that situation? Of course you dont know this because nobody talks about this, and the book about it called "Murder at the Mosque" had all its copies bought up and magically disappeared (burned). Why are people afraid of these facts? Hate crime is hate crime.
So why have blacks been angry over the years at Italians? Well many Italians have been said to have comments thrown at them such as "your ancestors put mine into slavery". News flash the Italians came 50-150 years after slavery was abolished. There are plenty of crimes to go the other way to compensate for the Sharpton stabbing or all the stuff that goes down in Howard Beach. Racism/hate crimes go in both directions.
Italian Americans who are the implied Staten Islanders who voted McCain are still good people. They are salt of the earth native New Yorkers who risk their lives to put out fires in your homes, pick up garbage off the streets, curb crime in the hood, fix your elecricity, work banking/accounting jobs, be pediatricians to your kid, etc. Their ancestors are usually native Brooklynites who merged Italian culture with American culture and really set off New York as the new great city in the 1900s full of great food, character, and love. Wishing them gone is like wishing the heart and soul of NY gone so it can turn into some empty middle America void. Staten Islanders are good people. Get that through your head.
Double standard, you lose, stop attacking Staten Island with your question that tries to ask nicely. Leave whats left of Bensonhurst, Howard Beach, etc. too.
It is part of New York because it was annexed in 1898. Keep crying about it you are stuck with the black sheep child Staten Island.
You took this to a whole 'nother level. The post had nothing to do with Blacks vs. Italians, was it your experiences ?
How does it compare to SI majority voting McCain ?
Because thats whats implied, and more than one person in here actually said SI is racist. Staten Island has its issues and its bad apple citizens like everywhere else but there are many good people out there. They work hard and do not want taxes raised. People on Staten Island tend to have strong opinions due to religion, experiences or upbringing so they may not waver on issues such as gay marriage or abortion issues no matter what year it is.
People obviously seem concerned that Staten Island voted McCain, even though the election is over and they should be drinking to an Obama victory. People like to go out and verbally attack who didnt vote for the winner. The accusations will then fly in of McCain voters as disliking people of alternative lifestyles, not wanting to help the poor, supporting a racist VP candidate, etc.
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