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Old 03-30-2009, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Sorry if this question was already asked in another thread, but seeing that there are a lot residents being forced out of their homes due to gentrificiation of certain areas (Harlem, Bed-Stuy, Bushwick, Wash Hts, etc). Where are all these evicted tenants re-locating to? I've heard the Bronx, Newark, NJ and Far Rockaway, Queens are considered "dumping grounds" for these type of tenants, but I'm looking for some more information on this.
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:50 PM
 
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I am assuming you are referring to the lower income brackets that rent correct?

A lot of these tenants have their rents stabilized, so their rents will not go up that high each renewal

They cant really be forced out unless they do not pay their rents, and even in this case, the courts are in their favor, and a "professional tenant" will know how to make this option a difficult journey for the landlord/management.

Even if they are not stabilized, the landlord has to have reason to hike the rents up by a significant amount

Sometimes tenants can even be bought out, I know my boss has had to do that for like one or two

So if they stay in their apartments they are safe, but if they try to look for a new one, then it would be difficult in gentrified nabes because those will more than likely be too expensive, and it forces them to look elsewhere

I do believe a lot of the lower income brackets do move to NJ for cheaper living. Towns like paterson, Union City, North Bergen etc

Other none gentrified nabes like south bronx is generally considered where many of the lower income brackets are moving to
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:26 PM
 
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Gentrification is just an oversued overhyped attention grabbing word..and in fact has little basis in reality. There is a revitalization going on across the city, and because Tenants have an inordinate amount of rights, it is virtually impossible to get one out barring non-payment of rent for a year, or murder. The reality is the revitalization that is sweeping the city is benefitting Tenants of all colors and socio-econimic class, the poor moreso because now their neighborhoods are getting more amenities, investments, and attention, with crime plumetting..all of which they are now enjoying at NO cost to them. So what exactly is the problem here? Most Tenants are rent stabilized and/or rent controlled, so regardless of what is occuring in the neighborhood, their rents are FIXED. So what exactly is everyone complaining about? Regarding nabes Tenants of lower brackets are moving to, many are actually leaving NYC to areas like Florida, Pennsylvania, NJ, with some going to the central Bronx. The South Bronx is actually becoming too expensive due to the influx of new residents and housing...the Central Bronx is now the most economical choice.
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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Even if they are not stabilized, the landlord has to have reason to hike the rents up by a significant amount
On what do you base this assertion?
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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The rent increases for Rent Stabilized units are bound to whatever the Board decides, despite whatever may or not be occuring in an individual neighborhood or building. The only costs that can be passed to Tenants via a rent increase over and above the Board's set increases are specific capital improvements, and even then only a percentage is passed to the Tenants. Look it up.
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Old 03-31-2009, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Sorry if this question was already asked in another thread, but seeing that there are a lot residents being forced out of their homes due to gentrificiation of certain areas (Harlem, Bed-Stuy, Bushwick, Wash Hts, etc).
In the first place, you make it sound like there's some sort of unique phenomenon going on these days. Look up the history of New York City; neighborhoods have been "changing" for the entire 300-plus year history of this town! Bushwick, since you mention it, is a really good example. It was founded by the Dutch ("Bushwick" is an anglicization of the original "Boswijk," which means Town of the Woods). After the Revolution, it became a German neighborhood. Then it was Italian--as recently as the early 1970s. Then Hispanic and black. So now other people are moving there? Big deal! That never stopped happening.

And in the second place, don't believe all the media hype. Yeah, some people are leaving areas where others are moving in. But most of that isn't "forced" anything.
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Old 03-31-2009, 05:43 PM
 
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i wonder if the population of the city will decrease because of gentrification. it does prevent alot of people from coming to nyc and eventually if more and more neighborhoods keep getting too expensive then wont we eventually "run out" of people who can afford them? thus having alot of abandoned homes? thus preventing more people from moving here? then, add on top of that the fact that people with money usually have less children than poor people which doesn't help the population at all. it may sound stupid but its a thought.
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Old 03-31-2009, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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I think it's probably the opposite.As more and more neighborhoods become more and more attractive more and more people seem to want to move back into cities. This is a complete reversal of the trend in the 60's and 70's when people were leaving the cities.All during the last 10 or 20 years as New York was being revitalized the population has kept increasing year after year. All projections are for the population of New York City to keep growing at a pretty good clip at least until 2030...and probably beyond .
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/cens...ng_booklet.pdf
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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i wonder if the population of the city will decrease because of gentrification. it does prevent alot of people from coming to nyc and eventually if more and more neighborhoods keep getting too expensive then wont we eventually "run out" of people who can afford them? thus having alot of abandoned homes?
When demand drops so will the prices and it would become more affordable.
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:18 PM
 
Location: northeast
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When demand drops so will the prices and it would become more affordable.
so if the neighborhood will probably be cheap again, whats the point in raising prices? @ bluedog2: it seems as though only people from the suburbs are moving into the city as people from the city are moving else where. you have to remember, people from the city (usually poor people) outnumber people from the suburbs atleast 10:1. if you look at ANY reputable population growth charts (i think thats what there called) you will see populations in cities all across america are either slowing down or decreasing altogether. i even heard this on CNN the other day about nyc's population.
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