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Absolutely not. Upstate New York would die. That's the honest truth. Bring on the hate, but I live upstate and I agree that having a world-class city to our south is basically one of the most important things keeping this state alive.
Most states feel like they should be split to even things out. It will not solve your problems, though.
Absolutely not. Upstate New York would die. That's the honest truth. Bring on the hate, but I live upstate and I agree that having a world-class city to our south is basically one of the most important things keeping this state alive.
Most states feel like they should be split to even things out. It will not solve your problems, though.
Agreed. Born and raised in the Buffalo area. I much prefer living up here, but NYC keeps New York State on the map.
Let's cut to the chase. The only people that want secession are conservatives. New York State is still Democratic outside of the city. Albany, Rochester, and Buffalo carry the Dems outside of downstate.
Only the first graph makes sense to me. If you are going to try and separate the upstaters from the city people, then do it fully. It's an interesting concept, but I eventually voted no.
Upper NY would be interesting encompassing Albany (it's still capital) Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo as it's main areas. If my calculations are correct, Upstate NY would still have about 6-7M people in it (NYS population 19.5M, NYC Population 8.4M, LI (not including Queen/Brooklyn) 2.9M).
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Keep it together, as dysfunctional as it may seem the states history is as one. NY is not the only state where a portion of the state wants to separate itself due to different interests/priorities from the other part of the state.
Keep it together, as dysfunctional as it may seem the states history is as one. NY is not the only state where a portion of the state wants to separate itself due to different interests/priorities from the other part of the state.
I agree and let's be honest about where the bulk of the money is in the state. I can see why people would want a split, but even if the state split up, will the new government make the appropriate changes relevant to this new state's needs? How would they approach this, especially when consolidation is already an option for government entities within the state as is? Would this new state use its institutions to invest in new industries and research in order to create jobs besides trying to attract jobs? These and other questions are things that need to be answered versus just breaking off and thinking all is well because the Downstate "albatross" is now gone.
Movements like this will only grow across the nation as urban centers strengthen their political control over the rural areas of the state. California, Maryland, Colorado, and New York each have vocal, though powerless, "split-cession" movements at this time. California is actually involved in more than one idea: "Cascadia" and a movement to break California into SIX separate states!
I'd prefer to see more local control transfered to the various regions with less centralized power at the state level. Remain one state, but allow upstate regions to make their own decisions without being drowned out by the sheer volume of representatives the city sends to Albany. How that would look I can't imagine, but with time we could work out a system.
New Amsterdam? At least give it some cool indian name or something. Nobody wants to live in New Amsterdam.
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