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With all this tipping, I either go to places that do not require a tip, or I just eat at home. Anecdotal, but I've met a few others throughout who shared this view. Either way, they're getting less business from us, so it's still costing them.
Also, funny how places that don't expect you to tip... Walmart, McDonalds, retail stores, office jobs, etc... haven't had any "20% offsets" as you've claimed.
Because that poster pulled the 20% figure out of the air. Has no clue about "what would happen if".
Also a manipulative tactic--> "Ooooohhh, I'm so skeered. I better start tipping a lot more or prices will go up.
Puhleeze. If prices go up they go up. The world won't end.
With all this tipping, I either go to places that do not require a tip, or I just eat at home. Anecdotal, but I've met a few others throughout who shared this view. Either way, they're getting less business from us, so it's still costing them.
Also, funny how places that don't expect you to tip... Walmart, McDonalds, retail stores, office jobs, etc... haven't had any "20% offsets" as you've claimed.
Walmart workers don't expect to get tips. Neither do fast food workers, etc. But you knew that anyway. So what's your point?
You also know that in North America, this is how it works with restaurants were there are servers. When one takes a server job, one expects to have tips as part of his/her income. No one expects tips when working in "retail stores, office jobs, etc." --- same for fast food places or take out deli-type places.
I really doubt any restaurant will miss your presence or the "few others" you've met "who shared this view". There are plenty of us who know to tip our servers and have no problems doing so.
Because that poster pulled the 20% figure out of the air. Has no clue about "what would happen if".
Also a manipulative tactic--> "Ooooohhh, I'm so skeered. I better start tipping a lot more or prices will go up.
Puhleeze. If prices go up they go up. The world won't end.
So...you don't mind if the cost of your meal in a restaurant goes up 20% if tipping isn't required. Yet, you have a big problem with tipping when prices are lower.
It's a red herring to claim that if you personally don't tip, prices will go up. Wrong. The restaurants that say "don't tip" are doing so because they raised the prices of their food in order to pay the servers more money.
Prices go up all the time. Has the world ended yet? Why are you so "skeered" of tipping?
Walmart workers don't expect to get tips. Neither do fast food workers, etc. But you knew that anyway. So what's your point?
You also know that in North America, this is how it works with restaurants were there are servers. When one takes a server job, one expects to have tips as part of his/her income. No one expects tips when working in "retail stores, office jobs, etc." --- same for fast food places or take out deli-type places.
I really doubt any restaurant will miss your presence or the "few others" you've met "who shared this view". There are plenty of us who know to tip our servers and have no problems doing so.
Your argument that without tipping, restaurants jack up their food prices by 20%. That might actually be a good thing since there are folks that indeed do stiff some servers. For example, folks will get take out, and pay 5% or 0%. Please don't bother explaining how restaurant staff work hard (if not more so) to prepare take out orders. I tip 20% anyways. Unless you're trying to convince others why this is "wrong", then, by all means (although I'm sure for such folks, their minds were already made up anyways).
Servers can expect all the tips they want. However, since it's not required by law, and only out of the goodness of our hearts, they can get stiffed pretty badly, and not have any recourse. Well, I hear managers are supposed to compensate them for lack of sufficient tips to make at least MW, but some have said they stiff them too, and find ways to make it "legal".
I don't know if you and others who tip well are enough to account for others who do tip poorly. Hopefully, they're getting by OK.
Your argument that without tipping, restaurants jack up their food prices by 20%. That might actually be a good thing since there are folks that indeed do stiff some servers. For example, folks will get take out, and pay 5% or 0%. Please don't bother explaining how restaurant staff work hard (if not more so) to prepare take out orders. I tip 20% anyways. Unless you're trying to convince others why this is "wrong", then, by all means (although I'm sure for such folks, their minds were already made up anyways).
Servers can expect all the tips they want. However, since it's not required by law, and only out of the goodness of our hearts, they can get stiffed pretty badly, and not have any recourse. Well, I hear managers are supposed to compensate them for lack of sufficient tips to make at least MW, but some have said they stiff them too, and find ways to make it "legal".
I don't know if you and others who tip well are enough to account for others who do tip poorly. Hopefully, they're getting by OK.
I do my part. When we go out to eat, we always leave the tip in cash. Thus, sometimes we tip over 20%. For example, if the tip is $12 and we don't have any ones, we will leave $15.
We once saw our server get stiffed by tourists. As a result, we tipped her extra. Our daughter was a server until she worked her way up to manager. She said that if someone stiffs a server, those in the surrounding tables would tend to tip a little extra.
That said, we tip less when service is abysmal. However, that's an extremely rare occurrence.
I disagree. Attentive would be observing the table to see if we appeared to be at a point where we needed water, or another drink, or were finishing a course.
Randomly popping up tableside and interrupting our conversation and our meal every three or four minutes just to cheerily ask, "Is everything ok here?" is annoying. Once or twice I wouldn't mind.
Checking in with a table and continuously interrupting its conversation flow are two completely different scenarios with a quality waitstaff.
I do believe a really efficient, friendly server/delivery person, etc. deserves a decent tip and I guide myself accordingly. But I don't do it to supplement low wages. It's my way of saying "Great job, thanks!" Whatever wage a worker earns is between them and their employer - NOT between the worker and the customer. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to comprehend.
It becomes your business because you KNOW about the wage, you KNOW it is inadequate in EVERY situation, you KNOW the service provided directly to you is not included in your bill, and you KNOW the current custom is for you to supplement it.
Why is THAT so hard to comprehend.
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With all this tipping, I either go to places that do not require a tip, or I just eat at home. Anecdotal, but I've met a few others throughout who shared this view. Either way, they're getting less business from us, so it's still costing them.
Also, funny how places that don't expect you to tip... Walmart, McDonalds, retail stores, office jobs, etc... haven't had any "20% offsets" as you've claimed.
Perhaps you've never dined somewhere that had better service than the average Walmart?
Do you really not understand that Walmart would have lower prices if its cost of employees were to suddenly drop 80% to $2 an hour?
I've had these friends that I have been hanging out for the past year, but last weekend, we all went out of town together for the first time. Our first stop was to a dine in restaurant, and at the end, I paid my bill via credit card and gave the normal 20% tip. As we were about to leave, the waitress came back to my friend, and asked if she was happy with her service. My friend nodded and said it was good. The waitress then said my friend gave her the exact amount on the bill. That's when I caught on that she didn't leave a tip. I asked my friend if she was going to leave a tip, and she outright told the waitress no. That she don't believe in tipping. Serving her was the waitresses job and she should need tips. I told my friend most service workers work at no more that 2.15 and hour, and my friend told the waitress point blank "well, that's not my problem that your are so stupid enough to work for a job that pays minimum wage. So, good-bye"
I was so embarrassed and very upset with how my friend acted. I haven't talked to her too much since then, and wonder, has anyone else had this issue with friends who refused to tip? Or all of a sudden, short on money and need help in paying their bill (which has happened to me too before)
I would have just tipped the waitress myself, and don't let your friend be in charge of the bill anymore.
With all this tipping, I either go to places that do not require a tip, or I just eat at home. Anecdotal, but I've met a few others throughout who shared this view. Either way, they're getting less business from us, so it's still costing them.
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The last place I worked in regularly booked all its timeslots and ran a hour + wait for walk-ins (longer during peak times). Business certainly wasn't suffering because people who don't like to tip stayed away. Frankly, that sort of guest isn't worth it.
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stores, office jobs, etc... haven't had any "20% offsets" as you've claimed.
I better start tipping a lot more or prices will go up.
If prices go up they go up. The world won't end.
Exactly!
