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I'm not a Big Government nor Theocratic type of person. I'm Republican, so I don't believe government should be Dictating the Moral Values of the People. Homosexuality is a Moral Value Issue and that is no right of the government to intervene.
So murder, theft, rape, etc are ok with you? These are all moral values.
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I also believe everyone should be treated the same. Whether Black, White, Gay, Straight, Christian, or Muslim. Laws should not vary based on if you're Black or if you're Gay.
Another fallacy from the Gay community. As someone who is gay, you have all the same civil rights as anyone else. You don't, however, just like EVERYONE ELSE, have the right to engage in immoral behaviour.
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And the United States was founded on the Prevention of Religious persecution and founded on the right of personal religious beliefs and freedoms and was founded so Government would not intervene in religious/moral affairs...
Religion is not the same as morality.
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People who want to put a ban on Interracial and Gay Marriage because it goes against their (their being Theocratic Big Government People) moral Values obviously believe there should be set rules for set groups of people ie Black, Gay, Hispanic, etc.
Again, being gay is not equivalent to being black, hispanic, a woman, etc.
None of these things is a moral issue.
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People Who are anti Interracial Marriage and Anti Gay Marriage are Discriminating.
These two things are not equivalent. There is nothing immoral about interracial marriage. Gay marriage, however, is immoral.
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I just ignore people like this man. He's just another one of the Westboropeople so take what he says with a grain of salt. He probably watches gay porn on the side like all the other priest and homophobic lawmakers. He'll get caught with his pants down soon, lol.
More fallacious ad hominen.
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Former First Lady Laura Bush. Now She is a lady who is very pro gay marriage and Equal Rights regardless of Race, Religion, and Sexuality. We need more people like her.
^^^ from the article We could give rats Pookie & I do not need no ceremony we know where our love stand between each other but its atrocious to treat us like second class citizens. Christianity isnt for breeders only.
Here is an example for you closeted heteros who are some what confuse to . Its ok I been there youll realize your true self. Watch We're All Angels Free
God is love not hate.
God is righteousness. God does not love what is evil in His sight.
I wish government would get out of the marriage business completely. Let people file for a unionship or something to make it legally binding. But allow only churches to issue marriage certificates. If a gay couple can find a church to issue them a marriage certificate, so be it. If they can't, they still have the same legal benefits.
God is righteousness. God does not love what is evil in His sight.
Chris
I John 4:8 - Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Your over-insistence that this is strictly an issue of morality is both short sighted and ignorant. For homosexuality to be a question of morality would mean that there was a choice and that gay people were making the decision to act out immoral behavior.
Since the 60's, this has been understood to not be a mental condition or a conscious one. Legislating against someone for something that they have zero control over IS taking away civil rights.
It's funny how you kept insisting that you don't have the right to engage in immoral behavior. And yet you're not telling us where you're getting your morality meter from. If it's from Judeo-Christian beliefs then, what about premarital sex, orgies, the ability to believe in and pray to any god you choose, the choice to eat pork/seafood/unclean food, the choice to shave, having a woman talk back to a man, talking back to you parents, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with your neighbors spouse...I think you get the point.
These are all acts that are considered immoral by specific passages in the Bible and yet are completely and totally legal in this day and age.
You can't legislate morality. Murder, theft and rape (your examples) are not illegal because they are immoral. They are illegal because of their destabilizing effects on a society. These are human rights violations, there must be a judicial force in place to keep people from killing each other or taking from one another or raping each other with no threat of repercussions or your nation devolves into anarchy.
Since gay marriage has been around for centuries off and on in different countries we can see that it has not had a similar effect. They've legalized gay marriage in Canada, and.....nothing happened. If they legalized murder, I can't even imagine the chaos. Using the two as if they are equivalent in an argument is asinine.
It's very sad that you hide behind your religion to give you justification for your bigotry and hatred. If marriage was so precious then divorce wouldn't be allowed. If we needed to protect the sanctity of marriage, then I wouldn't be allowed to marry and divorce a woman repeatedly for the rest of my life.
Not only are we denying the possibility that a union of two people can not be equivalent in love and importance because those individuals are of the same sex, but we are also keeping them from many other things that they would have if we legally acknowledged those marriages.
My Great Uncle was gay. His brother, my Grandfather, HATED him because of it and he shunned him. My Great Uncle had a severe stroke and was rushed to the hospital, my Grandfather was alerted and took the time to head to the hospital, inform them that my Great Uncle's partner of multiple decades was not family and was not allowed to see my Great Uncle, and then proceeded to leave him there to die. Because the death was sudden, it was unprepared for, there was no will. My Grandfather was the only immediate family left, and he took everything from my Great Uncle's lover and left him there alone. This happened in the mid-80's and it absolutely sickens me that it was made possible because of the lack of thought that people can have when it comes to gay marriage.
I think the immoral thing here is judging other people through the lens of your own morality. It takes a bit of growing up for one to accept the differences among us, and to understand that no one should have the right to impose their morality on anyone else.
My Great Uncle was gay. His brother, my Grandfather, HATED him because of it and he shunned him. My Great Uncle had a severe stroke and was rushed to the hospital, my Grandfather was alerted and took the time to head to the hospital, inform them that my Great Uncle's partner of multiple decades was not family and was not allowed to see my Great Uncle, and then proceeded to leave him there to die. Because the death was sudden, it was unprepared for, there was no will. My Grandfather was the only immediate family left, and he took everything from my Great Uncle's lover and left him there alone. This happened in the mid-80's and it absolutely sickens me that it was made possible because of the lack of thought that people can have when it comes to gay marriage.
As just about everybody knows, the same kind of thing can happen to married people who die without a will (intestate). To rectify the situation requires no change in the law whatsoever. All your grandfather needed was a valid will. Maybe he didn't have one because (a) he wanted his wealth to pass to his biological family as the law provides, or (b) he didn't care all that much what happened after he died. My guess is that you are not able to retrospectively read his mind.
As just about everybody knows, the same thing can happen to married people who die without a will (intestate). To rectify the situation requires no change in the law whatsoever. All your grandfather needed was a valid will. Maybe he didn't have one because (a) he wanted his wealth to pass to his biological family as the law provides, or (b) he didn't care all that much what happened after he died. My guess is that you are not able to retrospectively read his mind.
True, anyone without a will can be taken off guard with something sudden. But, where you are wrong is
1) If they were married, my Grandfather could not keep them apart in the hospital
2) Under the rules of intestacy all possessions almost always go to the spouse first. These laws differ from state to state, but when it comes to a spouse with no descendants, the inheritance almost always defers to the surviving spouse and its the family members that must go to court to attempt to get anything.
True, anyone without a will can be taken off guard with something sudden. But, where you are wrong is
1) If they were married, my Grandfather could not keep them apart in the hospital
2) Under the rules of intestacy all possessions almost always go to the spouse first. These laws differ from state to state, but when it comes to a spouse with no descendants, the inheritance almost always defers to the surviving spouse and its the family members that must go to court to attempt to get anything.
I agree. That's not the point, though, is it? If the transfer of wealth had been an important consideration, the simple act of writing a valid will would have solved the problem (this applies to everyone). Because this was not done, the logical presumption (Occam's razor) is that the deceased did not consider this to be important, unless he was completely ignorant. Again, no change in the laws of marriage was needed or appropriate in this instance.
Same-sex marriage is already illegal according to NC Statutes. This particular bill serves only to make it "extra-special super-duper illegal" and in addition, will likely affect private companies' own rights to offer domestic partner insurance benefits as they wish. There can be no reason other than intolerance/bigotry to "go the extra mile" the way this bill does. And Republicans claim they are in favor of smaller government?
How much more "Big Brother-y" can you get than telling private companies they are forbidden to offer such benefits as same-sex partner insurance? How is that the government's business at all?
More importantly, doesn't the Legislature have a few more important things to worry about like now--like JOBS, THE DEFICIT, AND THE ECONOMY--than to spend time and money amending the constitution to take away people's rights?
Nobody has said that marriage equality is solely for tax benefits, any more than opposite-sex marriage is solely for tax/insurance benefits. However, those who argue "Well, you don't have to get married; just be domestic partners" are often unaware at the numerous benefits available to legally-married couples. If the church has a problem with it, the church doesn't have to marry anyone they don't want to. But it is definitely true that the simple legal contract of "marriage" immediately grants hundreds of economic benefits, which have nothing at all to do with the "religious" arguments in favor of opposite-sex-only marriage. However, a same-sex couple who have lived as a unit for 20 years certainly deserve the same tax/insurance/Social Security survivor benefits as an opposite-sex couple who just got married yesterday. Or maybe you believe there should be no benefits at all to committed couples of any stripe?
I agree...businesses shouldn't be told by the Government, they cannot offer domestic partner insurance to the so called "gay community"....they should have guts enough to do it on their own.
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