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Old 05-23-2013, 05:38 AM
 
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The car may be award winning, but you have to have an Academy Award to own one. Very few in NC will be able to afford them nor will they be able to drive very far. Regarding the existing dealership laws, if you think dealing with a car dealership is bad, dealing irectly with the manufacturer would be worse with the "traditional" automakers. Can you imagine having to ship your car to Detroit, Tennessee or Alabama for a warranty repair?
Really? Then who buys all these Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, etc I see around the Triangle. I believe they even have an Aston Martin dealership in Greenboro? There is certainly a market for high end cars in North Carolina!
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:54 AM
 
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Really? Then who buys all these Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, etc I see around the Triangle. I believe they even have an Aston Martin dealership in Greenboro? There is certainly a market for high end cars in North Carolina!
Exactly. I think I've seen more Teslas tooling around the Triangle's roads (2) than I've seen Maserati's (0).

Meanwhile...Tesla service center in Raleigh portends NC showroom | Technology | NewsObserver.com

For those who don't read, a showroom for Tesla isn't a dealership, but is usually placed in a shopping mall to entice potential customers to purchase online.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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Exactly. I think I've seen more Teslas tooling around the Triangle's roads (2) than I've seen Maserati's (0).

Meanwhile...Tesla service center in Raleigh portends NC showroom | Technology | NewsObserver.com

For those who don't read, a showroom for Tesla isn't a dealership, but is usually placed in a shopping mall to entice potential customers to purchase online.
I hope they open a kiosk and sell cars for order there. Just like Dell did with computers. LOL.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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Whatever it IS, it LOOKS like a GOP-declared war on anything that might be considered "sustainable". They are making it costly and unduly burdensome (if not downright illegal) to be green minded. It's a losing strategy.
Actually, many of the "green minded" technologies are already costly and burdensome for the average consumer. GOP help is not required. The government wants the tax money generated by dealerships. I doubt the law would have been changed during Purdue's administration either.

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Really? Then who buys all these Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, etc I see around the Triangle. I believe they even have an Aston Martin dealership in Greenboro? There is certainly a market for high end cars in North Carolina!
Yes, but high-performance gasoline cars kill the earth so only electrics and hybrids are acceptable. EVERYONE MUST GET ONE OR WE WILL ALL DIE FROM GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!

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This has to be even more hilarious than your views on hybrids and taxes.

If so very few can afford them, why'd the auto lobby care?
I was making the point that when government loses gas tax revenue they will find a way to compensate. The auto lobby cares because they don't want to give up the traditional dealership model regardless of how expensive the Teslas are.

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Hmm, there's these buildings full of OEM parts and people specifically trained to fix certain brands of cars, covered under warranty. Do they magically disappear in this dystopian nightmare scenario you're describing? Or will it be some sort of Trail of Tears forced migration where they're all rounded up and herded to Detroit, TN, AL, Windsor, Mexico, etc.?
If Tesla's sales model is allowed the normal dealerships and their service departments go away. So now you have to get your factory parts directly from the manufacturer for added cost, and have to use a "factory certified" mechanic or facility for the work which screws the local shops. Using non-factory OEM parts will be an excuse for them to void your warranty or not pay for the repair which hits the local shops again. Since the manufacturers aren't going to pay for a network of service centers and won't provide anything to the local shops you'll end up having to sending your car back to the factory for the work. Oh, and there will be a fee for that too.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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If you are delirious enough to think that lessening our dependance on fossil fuels is a bad idea, I see no point in attempting to have a rational discussion with you.

Many manufacturers, particularly of larger items (think refrigerators) don't ask you to mail them back if they are broken. You can call a factory-authorized service technician. Cars sold direct would be no different.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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If Tesla's sales model is allowed the normal dealerships and their service departments go away.

I haven't taken my vehicles to a dealership for maintenance/repairs in years. The demand will be there for repair services, so there will be places that offer them. Who cares that the dealer won't be there to gouge you?

So now you have to get your factory parts directly from the manufacturer for added cost, and have to use a "factory certified" mechanic or facility for the work which screws the local shops.

So you're saying by cutting out the middle man and buying directly from the manufacturer, the cost will be greater? And local (non-dealer) shops are full of certified mechanics, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one.

Using non-factory OEM parts will be an excuse for them to void your warranty or not pay for the repair which hits the local shops again. Since the manufacturers aren't going to pay for a network of service centers and won't provide anything to the local shops you'll end up having to sending your car back to the factory for the work. Oh, and there will be a fee for that too.

Nope--there would be every reason in the world for the manufacturers to work with local non-dealer repair shops to make it easy for their customers to get needed services. It saves them money because they don't have to fund/subsidize dealers, and their customers are happy because they get services at a reasonable cost. Win-win.
Sorry, but I don't feel much sympathy for dealer repair shops.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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Sorry, but I don't feel much sympathy for dealer repair shops.
I don't feel much sympathy for dealer repair shops... Or dealerships. It's a stupid game. Just pick a price. Call that the price. Run advertised sales if you want. No bull like "this guy got his for less, you paid more" crap.

I can see haggling for trade-ins, because there are more variables, but a new car should have one price, based on flat rate plus options. And this price should be easy to locate and research. Not "secret."
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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If you are delirious enough to think that lessening our dependance on fossil fuels is a bad idea, I see no point in attempting to have a rational discussion with you.
I fully support lessening our fossil fuel dependence provided the technology to do so is affordable. We aren't there yet.

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Many manufacturers, particularly of larger items (think refrigerators) don't ask you to mail them back if they are broken. You can call a factory-authorized service technician. Cars sold direct would be no different.
Where would these technicians be if the dealerships are gone and local shops aren't getting manufacturer support? You think they are going to come to your house and fix your vehicle?
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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I fully support lessening our fossil fuel dependence provided the technology to do so is affordable. We aren't there yet.



Where would these technicians be if the dealerships are gone and local shops aren't getting manufacturer support? You think they are going to come to your house and fix your vehicle?
I have a plug-in hybrid. We have two, actually. Shall we penalize people who adopt this tech early? How will it ever become more affordable if people are hit with even more costs? That's just stupid.

Manufacturers will authorize local auto shops. Works in other industries.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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Sorry - that makes too much sense.
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