New York reports biggest gun haul - much which came from North Carolina

[MattOTAlex]

Originally Posted by Francois

What exactly has been outlawed? The NC Legislature passed nothing but gun-FRIENDLY laws this term, including the right to carry a weapon into a bar or onto a playground. Outlawed what?

Immaterial to the OP's whining at hand.

It is illegal for a resident of one state to purchase a controlled firearm in another, unless an FFL in the person's state acts as an intermediary, receives it on behalf of the resident, and performs the requisite background check prior to hand-over. This is applicable to all states.

Thus, if any firearms are making their way into NYC without this process, it is the individual who is transporting the weapon into NY who is criminally responsible. The laws of the other 49 states are immaterial to New York. For New Yorkers and Liberals to assert otherwise is just plain ignorance.

[netbrad]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Maybe, maybe not, but if other nations can have bans and not have even close to US gun violence, there's clearly something that's wrong. I'd wager it's a combination of fanaticism, extremely high gun ownership, easy attainment, gun glorification culture and a society that doesn't value mental health or strong education. A few of those issues are much more easily dealt with.

Yes, something is wrong, its called a criminal mindset. Guns don't whisper into a person's ear and make them break the law.

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

So you're saying that "responsible" gun owners and manufacturers don't adequately take responsibility for their firearms in their safekeeping. That's not exactly making a strong case for your side.

Right, because responsible gun owners know in advance when their house or car will be broken into. How is that in any way their fault? I mentioned the trains because there was an article about groups of people breaking into box cars in rail yards and sometimes they get a boxcar full of guns. I've also seen the results of a vehicular smash & grab at a gun store. So despite the best efforts of responsible gun owners to secure their firearms it doesn't stop the criminal class from obtaining them.

[macjr82]

Originally Posted by netbrad

Yes, something is wrong, its called a criminal mindset. Guns don't whisper into a person's ear and make them break the law.



Right, because responsible gun owners know in advance when their house or car will be broken into. How is that in any way their fault? I mentioned the trains because there was an article about groups of people breaking into box cars in rail yards and sometimes they get a boxcar full of guns. I've also seen the results of a vehicular smash & grab at a gun store. So despite the best efforts of responsible gun owners to secure their firearms it doesn't stop the criminal class from obtaining them.

The ones I've seen ATF investigations on the original gun owners were complicit, though sometimes ignorant, of the gun running. I doubt most of the guns found in NY were "stolen", even ones reported as such. The trafficker approached someone to buy pistols on his behalf, the rifles he probably just bought on his own. You can get an AK47 variant for dirt cheap, without a background check, at a gun show and it will sell for 4 times as much, if not more, up North.

I'm not advocating changing any of our gun laws, once again just educating on the reality of what's going on.

[MattOTAlex]

Originally Posted by macjr82

The ones I've seen ATF investigations on the original gun owners were complicit, though sometimes ignorant, of the gun running. I doubt most of the guns found in NY were "stolen", even ones reported as such. The trafficker approached someone to buy pistols on his behalf, the rifles he probably just bought on his own. You can get an AK47 variant for dirt cheap, without a background check, at a gun show and it will sell for 4 times as much, if not more, up North.

I'm not advocating changing any of our gun laws, once again just educating on the reality of what's going on.

Laws are already in place making straw an purchases illegal.
Laws are already in place making interstate purchases / transport illegal.

Citizen to citizen private gun sales at gun shows comprise a very small percentage of transactions overall at gun shows; Indeed, gun shows aren't even necessary for a private gun sale to legally take place.

Anyone who has been to gun shows knows this; The vast majority of gun sales are conducted by FFL dealer to private person, which requires a background check.

[macjr82]

Originally Posted by MattOTAlex

Laws are already in place making straw an purchases illegal.
Laws are already in place making interstate purchases / transport illegal.

Citizen to citizen private gun sales at gun shows comprise a very small percentage of transactions overall at gun shows; Indeed, gun shows aren't even necessary for a private gun sale to legally take place.

Anyone who has been to gun shows knows this; The vast majority of gun sales are conducted by FFL dealer to private person, which requires a background check.

I know this. As I said, I wasn't advocating any laws be changed. I was just countering the argument that the majority of these guns found in NY came from train box cars, smash & grabs, or otherwise stolen. Only handguns require the background check though. And though strawman purchases are illegal, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen quite frequently. The trafficker offers a few dollars to someone with a clean background to purchase the gun for them. Often, they do this even if they have a clean background check themselves, to distance themselves from the transaction.

[MattOTAlex]

Originally Posted by macjr82

I know this. As I said, I wasn't advocating any laws be changed. I was just countering the argument that the majority of these guns found in NY came from train box cars, smash & grabs, or otherwise stolen. Only handguns require the background check though. And though strawman purchases are illegal, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen quite frequently. The trafficker offers a few dollars to someone with a clean background to purchase the gun for them. Often, they do this even if they have a clean background check themselves, to distance themselves from the transaction.

Gotcha.

Rifle purchases such as SKS, M44, AK47 and AR15 all do require background checks.

[macjr82]

Originally Posted by MattOTAlex

Gotcha.

Rifle purchases such as SKS, M44, AK47 and AR15 all do require background checks.

I bought one at a gun show in Craven County in 2004 without a background check. The rules may have changed since then, though.

[netbrad]

Originally Posted by macjr82

I bought one at a gun show in Craven County in 2004 without a background check. The rules may have changed since then, though.

Private sales don't require a background check.