Permit Needed now to use Pa firing ranges (Philadelphia, Harrisburg: buying, schools)

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by floor9

If you have proof that the ranges are being destroyed, go to the Game Commission and complain.

Been there and done that, accompanied by pics......

[nepanite]

seen it with my own eyes....pretty hard to mistake the telltale pie plate sized target hole of a shotgun being used at the pistol range. Blows the target holder into toothpicks... The hundreds of shotgun cases lying around at the ten yard line are another giveaway.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Ok then if they are for "hunters" then why have a pistol range?

You can hunt with revolver AFAIK.

[weluvpa]

OK if your hunting with a pistol and I'm pretty sure you can then explain to me why your standing 10 to 15 yards from the target?

I shoot the on the 50yd rifle range with my pistol with straight up iron sights.

Like I said if the ranges were the quality that they were 3 years ago with wood backers, then fine charge a small fee for the upkeep or better yet get local groups to help with up keep. I did it out of pocket for two seasons and didn't mind it at all and was repeatedly thanked by the range maintenance guys at Archbald. I did it so that I would have a good range to use and to take my son to.

The cheap vinyl they use now is a joke.

Instead of fees lets just actually enforce the rules and help to maintain the ranges through that avenue. Like no PD's blasting them to pieces or stupid high school kids with daddies AR on the pistol range or blasting bottles and junk on the shotgun range.

Many times I have asked people to please leave the range due to the fact that they being extremely unsafe, while I had my son there and were putting others at great risk. 9 out of 10 times they were idiot kids in high school or college. Love the 21 yr old idiots with their shinny new pistols and no idea how to even use it.

That is why the rules state that at least one person assumes the role of range officer there to help to ensure a safe shooting environment.

[DowntownHarrisburg]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Instead of fees lets just actually enforce the rules and help to maintain the ranges through that avenue.

... which costs money.

[weluvpa]

How does using existing enforcement officers to enforce the rules cost money?

The fines alone can help to offset any additional cost that would be incurred like possibly fuel, but otherwise they are already being paid as enforcement officers so lets get them to actually go to the ranges and enforce the rules.

Its not like there are hundreds of ranges in each district.

Spare me the song and dance on costs, on a daily basis each range could generate hundreds of dollars in fines, if not more for blatant rule violations.

6 round rule on the pistol range is broken dozens of times day....

Get rid of the range rats that walk around you while your shooting picking your brass without asking if its ok... They don't even have guns yet they are walking up and down the ranges getting in the way and annoying those of us that there for the intended purpose.

[DowntownHarrisburg]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

How does using existing enforcement officers to enforce the rules cost money?

Because they don't have nearly enough rangers. DCNR is in the middle of a massive hiring spree right now, which costs money. And how do you expect them to produce the materials to repair / maintain the ranges? To say nothing of patrolling the state parks, game lands, and lakes.

And what about purchasing vehicles? The fuel in the vehicles? The maintenance for the vehicles? The radio system (the state doesn't just let them piggyback on OpenSky for free, you know)? The dispatchers? Damage to the equipment due to enforcement action? Firearms and ammunition? Training? Insurance? Lawyers? All of that scales with increased enforcement, and all of that costs money.

Spare me the song and dance on costs, on a daily basis each range could generate hundreds of dollars in fines, if not more for blatant rule violations.

Sure -- just as soon as you're willing to pay for 3-4 rangers for every range 24x7x365 (what, you think vandals & criminals only operate M-F 9-5?).

[ff18wife]

Originally Posted by floor9

Because they don't have nearly enough rangers. DCNR is in the middle of a massive hiring spree right now, which costs money. And how do you expect them to produce the materials to repair / maintain the ranges? To say nothing of patrolling the state parks, game lands, and lakes.

And what about purchasing vehicles? The fuel in the vehicles? The maintenance for the vehicles? The radio system (the state doesn't just let them piggyback on OpenSky for free, you know)? The dispatchers? Damage to the equipment due to enforcement action? Firearms and ammunition? Training? Insurance? Lawyers? All of that scales with increased enforcement, and all of that costs money.



Sure -- just as soon as you're willing to pay for 3-4 rangers for every range 24x7x365 (what, you think vandals & criminals only operate M-F 9-5?).

Floor, do you have any info on the hiring @ DCNR? Would love to see what they have open... thanks!!!

[DowntownHarrisburg]

Originally Posted by ff18wife

Floor, do you have any info on the hiring @ DCNR? Would love to see what they have open... thanks!!!

Not anything solid, but I've seen more than a few articles in the local paper about them. Their website is PA*DCNR*-*DCNR Home. Since they're a state agency, they might hire through the civil service commission. If I see any more news links I'll shoot (hah) you a DM.

[amstel78]

Stupid question, but where can I get a permit from?