View Poll Results: How Do You Pronounce The Name of the Diamond City?
Wilkes-Berry
50 58.82%
Wilkes-Bear
27 31.76%
Wilkes-Bear-Uh
8 9.41%
11-19-2007, 06:37 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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WasPA
Bah.
Moo?
11-19-2007, 06:48 PM
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SWB Yes! That is where Barre Vt is! Beautiful country!
11-19-2007, 11:48 PM
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I love hometown history. Here's some interesting info.
This tongue-in-cheek article & the linked sources at the end state the correct pronounciation is "Barry", although we all know sources which/who disagree. Funnier still is many sources offer Paul's poll's 3 choices (& not a 4th choice of "Barry"), yet take no stand on which is correct.
The Daily Apple: Apple #261: Wilkes-Barre, PA
American Heritage Dictionary also reports "Barry" is correct:
Wilkes-Barre. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
Cool dude, that Barre... Apparantly, Issac Barre was born in Dublin, IR to a FR refugee father & attended Trinity College, entered the army & took Quebec before being elected to Parliament.
Barre, MA & Barre, VT (both also pronounced "Barry") are also named for him. Being a vigorous opponent of US taxation, he coined the phrase "Sons of Liberty" in one of his speeches to the colonists Re: the Stamp Act, was appointed Treasureship of the US Navy from which he retired after 8-yrs due to blindness & died at the age of 76 in 1802.
That being said:
1. I'm originally from W-B (back in the days when Barre was but a lad!) & always prounced it "Barry". Most of my local friends did, too, that I recall. Perhaps "Berry" doesn't come naturally as it's not spelled
Berre .
2. Me da', also born in Dublin, IR, always said "Berra" a la Yogi Berra, with a brogue however. I noticed as a kid that local oldtimers favored this way. Not sure what most Dubliners would say now, except "Your still bloody talkin' about that, then, are ya?"
3. Every person I've
ever met who is not from the area, bar none, pronounced it "Bar", pun intended. But, aside from Bostonians (I now live in Boston), most I've met who are not from PA also say "A-mish" rather than "Ah-mish", so... Although in all fairness, Bostonians like the letter "h", as in the words park "paahk", car "caah" & yard "yaahd".
Note: The accent over the "e" in Barre would indicate 2 syllables & the pronounciation "Bar", perhaps we can all agree, is incorrect. One down, three to go...
4. This raging battle shall forge ahead (okay, perhaps not rage & forge, but scamper & scurry), but... up until I was in my 20s, no one I'd met ever heard of W-B. Now, at least people know about "us", however they pronounce it. Mostly they know about us because we can't agree on how to pronounce our town, but that's beside the point... (Yes, I'm kidding!)
5. My best friend is from Paris. Since the articles say Barre is a FR name, the next time I speak with her, I'll ask her how she'd pronounce it. She's also the most extraordinary history buff I've ever met, so it wouldn't surprise me if she knows a great deal about him.
6. Although I've lived in 6 states, 5 countries & on 3 continents, when asked where I'm from I always answer "Wilkes-Barre". IMO, relatively speaking, NEPA is still a safe, clean-aired, not overly-crowded place to live with genuine, good-hearted folks.
7. Yes, Paul, I know I'm supposed to be "gone"... Exit, stage left...
Happy Thanksgiving, All... VV
11-20-2007, 12:02 AM
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nepawoods
The correct pronunciation is WILK-eeze BAR. Yes, there are a lot of people, even who live there, who don't know that.
They don't make Wilkeeze Bars anymore, especially those coconut ones. Gone the way of the Charleston Chew, Bonomo Turkish Taffy & green licorice.
Never could warm up to that green licorice anyway. We only bought it when they were out of black & red...
11-20-2007, 05:15 AM
Location: Black Hammock Island
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I've enjoyed this thread! As a short-term PA resident, it was alway Wilks Barry (also because of growing up knowing Barre VT as Barry VT.)
11-20-2007, 05:39 AM
Location: Pocono Mts.
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nepawoods
The correct pronunciation is WILK-eeze BAR. Yes, there are a lot of people, even who live there, who don't know that.
I do not agree, I'm sorry. That sounds like a very Pa Dutch pronunciation.
I reiterate: John Wilkes (wilks) Isaac Barre (berry)
11-20-2007, 07:02 AM
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Isaac Barre was of French descent, with roots in Canada. His name had a French accent aigu above the last 'e' and as such, would have been pronounced with an accentuated 'a' sound or similar to the 'et' in the word 'beret'.Barre ' pronounced as above; nor did I ever hear "Berry". ...at least remarkably few times. I typically heard 'Wilkes-Barry' or 'Wooksb(p)bare' when slurred in ordinary speech......even when somone said "Wilkes" said together with "Barre", they typically did not form the full "il" sound as much as they might when saying Wilkes College (now University).
11-20-2007, 07:07 AM
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Moo?
you are such a tonic.......
11-20-2007, 11:29 AM
Location: Scranton
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Another question I have is the proper pronounciation of Mundy Street? I always thought it was supposed to be pronounced "MUN-DEE." Even Tommy Van Scoy in his commercials pronounced it "mun-dee" (Mundy Street, Mundy Street, on Mundy Street!). Yet now that I work down here, I hear the Wyoming Valley locals seem to pronounce it MUN-DAY street, like the day of the week....
11-20-2007, 12:10 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Another question I have is the proper pronounciation of Mundy Street? I always thought it was supposed to be pronounced "MUN-DEE." Even Tommy Van Scoy in his commercials pronounced it "mun-dee" (Mundy Street, Mundy Street, on Mundy Street!). Yet now that I work down here, I hear the Wyoming Valley locals seem to pronounce it MUN-DAY street, like the day of the week....
It's most DEFINITELY "Mun-Dee," as in State Rep. Phyllis Mundy of Kingston. Anyone who pronounces it "Monday" Street must have a speech impediment.
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Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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