If Northern Virginia became a US state (Richmond, Arlington: incomes, suburban)

[tysonsengineer]

Originally Posted by Forehead

I think your hardcore isolationists would prefer that it only be Arlington, Alexandria, and Fairfax. Prince William and Loudoun are still the boonies to them.

You rang?

Nah I'd let PWC and Loudoun in (good wine, good breweries, and basically the same demographics and people). I have lots of friends in both.

Stafford on the other hand...

[CrystalCities]

Northern Virginia will be allowed to become its own state as soon as:
1) NYC, combined with Eastern NJ and Southern CT can become their own state
2) Coastal California can become its own state
3) Eastern Kentucky can become its own state
4) Atlanta can become its own state
5) The two sides of Pennsylvania can become their own states
etc, etc etc.

Every state has different parts with diverse economies and cultures. Every place seems to dislike or resent the other place in their state. You think people in Albany feel closer to NYC residents than people from Lynchburg do to Arlington? There is nothing unique about Northern Virginia that makes it a special case from any of the aforementioned areas. It's completely ridiculous and wholly egocentric for the residents of northern virginia to suggest otherwise.

What makes that proposition even more ludicrous is that 90% of the people in this area are brand new, or at the very most, only second generation, and many of us transplants (yes, I am one), came from areas worse or more backwards than the rest of "RoVa", which happens to include two other large metropolitan areas and some of the best universities in the country.

[Mnseca]

Originally Posted by CrystalCities

Northern Virginia will be allowed to become its own state as soon as:
1) NYC, combined with Eastern NJ and Southern CT can become their own state
2) Coastal California can become its own state
3) Eastern Kentucky can become its own state
4) Atlanta can become its own state
5) The two sides of Pennsylvania can become their own states
etc, etc etc.

Every state has different parts with diverse economies and cultures. E

No, this is not the same at all. No one in NYC wants to be separate from the rest of NY, and they sure don't want to be joined to anything in NJ, even if it's just across the bridge. NY is a very cohesive state, and if you ask someone from NY where they are from, they will just tell you NY.

People from NoVa feel themselves to be so different from the rest of VA, that they don't even say they are from VA. We all say we're from the DC area or something like that, if we think people won't understand that Northern Virginia is not the same as Virginia (i.e. we don't want people to think we come from a poor, conservative, religious state that everyone thinks is backwards).

Atlanta *might* have a case, but the others on your list are not so completely different as NoVa and the rest of VA.

[spencgr]

Originally Posted by tysonsengineer

You rang?

Nah I'd let PWC and Loudoun in (good wine, good breweries, and basically the same demographics and people). I have lots of friends in both.

Stafford on the other hand...

Seriously? Wine and Beer? That's the reason you'd let Loudoun join the "in" crowd? Not, perhaps, the massive amounts of tax dollars they'd provide?

America's Richest Counties - Forbes

Geeze, I support Loudoun breaking out on its own....

[Carlingtonian]

Originally Posted by Forehead

I think your hardcore isolationists would prefer that it only be Arlington, Alexandria, and Fairfax. Prince William and Loudoun are still the boonies to them.

No way are Stafford and Spotsylvania part of NoVA. NoVA means "within sane commuting distance of DC." Neither of those qualifies. PW is indeed the boonies--but I concede it's part of NoVA. As is eastern Loudoun.

Also, "Spotsylvania" sounds like some horrible skin disease Romanians get.

[tysonsengineer]

Originally Posted by spencgr

Seriously? Wine and Beer? That's the reason you'd let Loudoun join the "in" crowd? Not, perhaps, the massive amounts of tax dollars they'd provide?

America's Richest Counties - Forbes

Geeze, I support Loudoun breaking out on its own....

Oh please. Tax revenue in Loudoun is 1/10th the size of Fairfax (considering it has only 1/4th the population that seems odd that you think its the "richest county" etc.)

You sir need to learn the difference between Median and Mean. Median is good for a measure of the overall good, but it certainly is not a good way of measuring the economic wealth and more importantly the economic power of an area.

For instance, by that same measure Fairfax has a higher median income than NYC. NYC btw generates around 20 billion a year last I checked in real estate tax revenue alone (about half the entire state of Virginias total tax revenue, and double that of the states total real estate tax revenue).

Loudoun is a good place (this is as close to a compliment as I will give it), has nice people who are generally new to the area but I won't hold that against them, and yes, to a person who doesn't live in Loudoun the only reason I would lump them in is because of the wineries and breweries. Sorry, its the only thing of interest I have in the area there... its not to say its not a nice place to live.

[cdmurphy]

Originally Posted by tysonsengineer

Loudoun is a good place (this is as close to a compliment as I will give it), has nice people who are generally new to the area but I won't hold that against them, and yes, to a person who doesn't live in Loudoun the only reason I would lump them in is because of the wineries and breweries. Sorry, its the only thing of interest I have in the area there... its not to say its not a nice place to live.

We have a pretty decent international airport in Loudoun, too.

[spencgr]

Originally Posted by tysonsengineer

You sir need to learn

You, sir, need to remember that I am female.

Originally Posted by tysonsengineer

You sir need to learn the difference between Median and Mean. Median is good for a measure of the overall good, but it certainly is not a good way of measuring the economic wealth and more importantly the economic power of an area.

For instance, by that same measure Fairfax has a higher median income than NYC. NYC btw generates around 20 billion a year last I checked in real estate tax revenue alone (about half the entire state of Virginias total tax revenue, and double that of the states total real estate tax revenue).

Loudoun is a good place (this is as close to a compliment as I will give it), has nice people who are generally new to the area but I won't hold that against them, and yes, to a person who doesn't live in Loudoun the only reason I would lump them in is because of the wineries and breweries. Sorry, its the only thing of interest I have in the area there... its not to say its not a nice place to live.

Loudoun's per capita in come is $46,732, which is only slighly lower that Fairfax's $50,532. But Loudoun's poverty level is lower (3.5% versus 5.6%). So if you don't think Loudoun would help (economically) this new state, you're crazy.

[Caladium]

Hmmmm.... you know, if you take Spotsylvania of the first one, you almost have a diamond shape that would look kinda cool on maps. So that's the one I'd go for.

On the other hand, doing that would leave Virginia with a very odd shape, indeed.

[tysonsengineer]

Originally Posted by spencgr

You, sir, need to remember that I am female.




Loudoun's per capita in come is $46,732, which is only slighly lower that Fairfax's $50,532. But Loudoun's poverty level is lower (3.5% versus 5.6%). So if you don't think Loudoun would help (economically) this new state, you're crazy.

I wont hash this out, like I said, I like Loudoun and Prince William County and the people who live there (atleast the ones who don't demand highways on my walk to work). Sorry for calling you a dude, madam.