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Most locals close to my generation who live in hawaii or the mainland, dream about a simple life that they grewup in the islands with. Sure some enjoy the options of buying the latest fashion item from the latest big box store but honestly we would prefer going back to a time where ohana and experience of life was more important then paying crazy over reasonable cost of living prices or trying to keep up wit the jones. Thats all mainland insanity.
No i don't believe anyone owes me anything. I bring up the past because most of you transplants are hush hush about what really happened to make this rich mainlander dream of hawaii real. No not everyone was open arms about it, majority of the communities were opposed to bigbox stores and how the redevelopments were going. But listening to you honobob or whiteviper1 you wont get the truth, you only get "everybody loves it". Garbage.
Most locals close to my generation who live in hawaii or the mainland, dream about a simple life that they grewup in the islands with. Sure some enjoy the options of buying the latest fashion item from the latest big box store but honestly we would prefer going back to a time where ohana and experience of life was more important then paying crazy over reasonable cost of living prices or trying to keep up wit the jones. Thats all mainland insanity.
No i don't believe anyone owes me anything. I bring up the past because most of you transplants are hush hush about what really happened to make this rich mainlander dream of hawaii real. No not everyone was open arms about it, majority of the communities were opposed to bigbox stores and how the redevelopments were going. But listening to you honobob or whiteviper1 you wont get the truth, you only get "everybody loves it". Garbage.
Your guys famous words. "Lets keep things real".
When and why did you give up your place in Hawaii to a mainland transplant?
When and why did you give up your place in Hawaii to a mainland transplant?
It wasn't my choice honobob. Most of people who lived in the past on oahu that moved have done so based on the cost of living being way to high vs whats left of hawaii on oahu? I know of a few posters on here who have moved from oahu to the mainland or the Big island for the same reasons im sharing with you.
I must say im sorry to you. It really doesn't matter if your from the mainland or a foriegner because its not about yours or anyones location that i have beef with. Really i suspect others who think like i do feel the same way. But i can only represent me. My issue is attitude and a way of thinking that doesn't represent "we" but "i", where money is more important then aina, people, communities which is the core foundation of what aloha or hawaii life is. Most residents are not opposed to redevelopment, most feel its necessary(including myself) but most feel its going way to fast
I have given up on the Hawaii forums. It has a handful of snarky posters who enjoy taking cheap shots at others. The funny thing is they are still allowed to post. I never have issues in the other forums I post in at C-D, tho. Oh, well!
I don't know, I never fail to be entertained when I visit the Hawaii forums. There is always good information on there and some nights I crack a beer and log in for the fun.
and in some cases rushed thru without proper planning, just to make a buck without thinking what will happen in the future. For example, the new purposed skyscraper for Kaka'ako thats suppose to be higher then diamond head. It will set a new standard if it gets built. Are you aware once thats built, every other developer will either want to match it or beat its height in the future? Have we considered the costs to upgrading our really old infrastructure? Have you thought about a time when our children or future generations have a Honolulu thats littered with skyscrapers higher then diamond head and then they realise its not enough money or etc? Have you considered if you go too far with redevelopment that you will lose what made oahu valuable? Ive seen this in other cities. Portland is a good example. Billions were spent redeveloping and Gentrifying the pearl district with expensive condos and retail space. Alot of condos/retal are sitting empty today because prices are to high.
So the issue is attitude, i get angry over the whistling in the dark attitude i get from some posters on here that only see the present and profits but lack the cause and effect awareness in there thinking which to alot of people is mostly a mainland tude. Its irresponsible and shortsightted.
So the issue is attitude, i get angry over the whistling in the dark attitude i get from some posters on here that only see the present and profits but lack the cause and effect awareness in there thinking which to alot of people is mostly a mainland tude. Its irresponsible and shortsightted.
The particular "attitude" that you describe isn't solely endemic to the continental United States. It exists in many urbanized areas throughout the world.
For example, the new purposed skyscraper for Kaka'ako thats suppose to be higher then diamond head. It will set a new standard if it gets built.
A lot of people would be very interested in buildings much higher than Diamond Head. It is a silly rule and inhibits growth. Hong Kong is a fantastic example of a great island city. Build an 80 story tower, I'm definitely taking serious interest in a unit. A lot of people would be very interested.
and in some cases rushed thru without proper planning, just to make a buck without thinking what will happen in the future. For example, the new purposed skyscraper for Kaka'ako thats suppose to be higher then diamond head. It will set a new standard if it gets built. Are you aware once thats built, every other developer will either want to match it or beat its height in the future? Have we considered the costs to upgrading our really old infrastructure? Have you thought about a time when our children or future generations have a Honolulu thats littered with skyscrapers higher then diamond head and then they realise its not enough money or etc? Have you considered if you go too far with redevelopment that you will lose what made oahu valuable? Ive seen this in other cities. Portland is a good example. Billions were spent redeveloping and Gentrifying the pearl district with expensive condos and retail space. Alot of condos/retal are sitting empty today because prices are to high.
I believe your criticism, to be effective, should be directed at local elected officials (who, by the way, are local's). Not at the corporations or at all the "mainlanders" or even at the "rich".
The basic fact is that no corporation could build a skyscraper higher than Diamond head if the local elected officials simply enforced existing building codes rather than grant exceptions. The city of Honolulu could never go "too far" with development, if local elected officials set development guidelines and then stuck to them.
It boils down to local governments comprised of local people and elected by local citizens deciding how they are going to manage and regulate growth and development. And then being held accountable for enforcing those codes. Again, no corporation could build a skyscraper taller than Diamond Head if these local government officials put in place regulations and then had the backbone to enforce them.
So to effect change, people need to look at those around them and start demanding stricter development regulations and enforcement of those regulations currently in place rather than constantly granting exceptions.
Pointing a finger at the mainland or at the corporations is mis-directed. Start pointing a finger at those local elected officials charged with developing land-use planning codes and building regulations and enforcing the existing codes. They are the ones with the power to control and direct growth on the island.
The particular "attitude" that you describe isn't solely endemic to the continental United States. It exists in many urbanized areas throughout the world.
And your point bruddah? So greed is universal and character defects are too, so no harm no foul?
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