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Old 10-12-2016, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Here are the numbers for 2017 (with the public schools in bold):

Hilo - 1
Waiakea - 2
Hawaiʻi Baptist Academy - 3
ʻIolani - 13
Kaiser - 4
Kalani - 2
McKinley - 1
Mid-Pac - 1
Punahou - 28
Roosevelt - 1
Sacred Hearts - 1
"Home-schooled" - 1
Trinity Christian School - 1
Hawaiʻi Preparatory Academy - 3
Kauaʻi - 1
Seabury Hall - 1
Mililani - 1
Baldwin - 1

Of the 66, 14 come from Hawaiʻi public schools.
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Here are the numbers for 2017 (with the public schools in bold):



Of the 66, 14 come from Hawaiʻi public schools.
A nearly 17% improvement!!

Your numbers don't sync up right though. The Iolani website says 12. The Punahoe website lists 27 names.
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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. The Punahoe website lists 27 names.
That's an incredible accomplishment from one school.

I know one of last year's graduates, now enrolled at Harvey Mudd in California.

From one extremely demanding school to another...
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Your numbers don't sync up right though. The Iolani website says 12. The Punahoe website lists 27 names.
Good catch. The "extra" students at ʻIolani and Punahou graduated early. The one from ʻIolani was profiled a couple of years ago in Midweek after helping to discover a planet and winning a science and engineering fair, while the one from Punahou performed at Carnegie Hall and is currently studying accounting at National University.
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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That's an incredible accomplishment from one school.
Sadly, compared to some of the public schools in California and elsewhere, that's nothing. For instance, Mission San Jose High School in the Fremont Unified School District has 84 National Merit Semifinalists for 2017, which is 18 more than all of the schools in Hawaiʻi combined.
FUSD Students Named 2017 National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:16 PM
 
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Sadly, compared to some of the public schools in California and elsewhere, that's nothing. For instance, Mission San Jose High School in the Fremont Unified School District has 84 National Merit Semifinalists for 2017, which is 18 more than all of the schools in Hawaiʻi combined.
FUSD Students Named 2017 National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists
But that does not help those top students from California get into top schools which I have previously elaborated in another post.

All those top universities in Mainland admit students on several criteria, i.e. one of them is geographical distribution. That means they take top students from each state proportionally. So even if the student from California is smarter than the one in Hawaii, the one in Hawaii receives higher priority.

Students from Kamehameha even receive higher priority than his/her peers from other students in Hawaii, private or public, for known reasons.

And by the way, most ethnic Asian students in California study the way students in Asia do, i.e. attend cram school after formal school everyday. So their daily study hours are about 3-4 hours longer than students in Hawaii do.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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But that does not help those top students from California get into top schools which I have previously elaborated in another post.

All those top universities in Mainland admit students on several criteria, i.e. one of them is geographical distribution. That means they take top students from each state proportionally. So even if the student from California is smarter than the one in Hawaii, the one in Hawaii receives higher priority...
Link to other post, please?

Our little HS in Alaska usually produces one or two Merit semifinalists, and maybe a handful of Ivy league acceptances. Geography helps, no doubt. Another consideration is that our kids are not attending study sessions after school, or getting tutored for the ACT and SAT, or practicing them, or competing against many other driven students. They're just smart!
Being enrolled in a high pressure, high achieving environment will naturally give students an advantage on these tests, hence their handicap when considered against others with worse numbers in the annual top school lottery.

I think that native Hawaiians would qualify as "under represented minorities", so they should have another advantage when applying to colleges. Any Hawaiian kid who's a good student should be encouraged to apply to any school they desire, including the Ivies

Especially Dartmouth, as they were originally founded to teach native Americans, so they make an extra effort to enroll them.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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Thanks. My local (mainland) public high school generated 27 NMSFs for 2017. There are all kinds of disclaimers about not using NMSFs to compare schools, districts, cities, and states. Yet, I think it is an interesting factoid. Private school in Hawaii costs minimum $24k/yr. I pay about $7k/yr in property tax for police, fire, public works, and schools. I could scrape by and afford the $17k difference, but that is less money for my retirement and college funds for 2 kids.

From the outside looking in, it appears the gap between the haves and have nots is continuing to grow wider and at a faster pace compared to other parts of the country. Of course, not a new situation, but I think TV and Internet access compound the problem. Before we could only compare to what we saw on the island, so we were happier with what we had.

Lady next to me on the plane was first time visitor. Two things she asked me about: cost of living and homeless population. Her friend, another first time visitor, had mentioned both to her. Did not ask about restaurants or shopping, so that made me really sad.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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From the outside looking in, it appears the gap between the haves and have nots is continuing to grow wider and at a faster pace compared to other parts of the country.
The wealth gap in Hawaii between wealthy and poor is among the lowest in the United States. Some rank it the lowest but no studies I've seen rank it outside the top 10.
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Old 10-13-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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What's interesting is if you see how wildly the pass mark varies by state each year.

Some of that is due to some parts of the country prepping more for the exam but is also rooted in the general educational level of the area.

I think in 2014 the last time I checked it ranged from around 205 for Arkansas up to 223 for MA with an average around 212 needed.

223 score out of 240 would have to be maybe 4 wrong? 206 would be maybe 10 wrong?

The schools where I live KS (KC burbs) all announce this but the public schools are really good. My kids school had 6 last year out of around 450 in the class but normally it's around 3.
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