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The kazillion golf courses we have probably use the most water.
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Interesting that despite growth, residential water consumption was down.
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OP, I really can't counter based on personal experiences in ranking the different islands as I've only been to (and currently live on) Oahu. Having written that, when it comes to things to do on island, you'll rarely catch me down in the Waikiki area. No, I'm heading far up island for that.
With all the development on the island, I wonder how long the water supply is going to last. Do the city planners take water for granted?
They've already overbuilt for the water table. Back in the early eighties, when you got a building permit to build a house, there was a nominal fee paid to the Board of Water Supply to get a water meter. It was mostly a paperwork processing fee, something like twenty to forty dollars or so. By the late eighties (this was during a huge construction boom) the fees had gone up into the thousands. Not sure what it is now, it's been awhile since I've pulled a permit on Oahu.
They used to let folks go into the water tunnels and look at the water. There's a long hallway, a lot of really big pumps and then a room with a railing overlooking the water table. This was the late-eighties sometime, I forget exactly when. There was a stick in the water with dates on it. The dates from 1950 to 1965 or so were pretty much clustered in one spot, one year would be up, then down, then back up, etc. But starting in the mid seventies, the numbers started dropping lower and lower and never recovered to their previous levels.
There's also some sort of worry with the aquifer that if it gets too low, it will become seawater. Not sure if it's some sort of inversion of fresh water / sea water or if the ocean will just seep in.
Upcoming water difficulties is one of the reasons why we moved away from Oahu. But there were a lot of other more pressing reasons: traffic, crowding, costs for just about everything, a line anywhere you want to go, and then add to that the worries about upcoming lack of water, inability to feed themselves if there's a break in the supply chain, etc. etc. Oahu is still a great island, though, and some of those concerns are at this point merely worries. If it were thirty years ago, we'd still be living on Oahu.
They've already overbuilt for the water table. Back in the early eighties, when you got a building permit to build a house, there was a nominal fee paid to the Board of Water Supply to get a water meter. It was mostly a paperwork processing fee, something like twenty to forty dollars or so. By the late eighties (this was during a huge construction boom) the fees had gone up into the thousands. Not sure what it is now, it's been awhile since I've pulled a permit on Oahu.
They used to let folks go into the water tunnels and look at the water. There's a long hallway, a lot of really big pumps and then a room with a railing overlooking the water table. This was the late-eighties sometime, I forget exactly when. There was a stick in the water with dates on it. The dates from 1950 to 1965 or so were pretty much clustered in one spot, one year would be up, then down, then back up, etc. But starting in the mid seventies, the numbers started dropping lower and lower and never recovered to their previous levels.
There's also some sort of worry with the aquifer that if it gets too low, it will become seawater. Not sure if it's some sort of inversion of fresh water / sea water or if the ocean will just seep in.
Upcoming water difficulties is one of the reasons why we moved away from Oahu. But there were a lot of other more pressing reasons: traffic, crowding, costs for just about everything, a line anywhere you want to go, and then add to that the worries about upcoming lack of water, inability to feed themselves if there's a break in the supply chain, etc. etc. Oahu is still a great island, though, and some of those concerns are at this point merely worries. If it were thirty years ago, we'd still be living on Oahu.
Tons of wrong information in your post.
The city fee you are talking about that is in the "thousands" of dollars is the sewer connection fee. This has absolutely nothing to do with fees associated with the Board of Water Supply, which is a municipality utility. The sewer fee (which represents about 70-80% of the combined potable water consumption and wastewater fee) is administered through the State Dept of Environmental Services. There is a very clear distinction with these fees. Currently, it costs far more to treat the potable water that is flushed down our drains (per gallon) than it is to supply the same potable water through our fixtures. Water is dirt cheap here - however it costs many times more to treat it and re-introduce it into our environment so it does not cause harm to our ecosystem.
Our long term potable water security will be addressed with desalination. All points of use of our potable water system here on Oahu are within relatively very close proximity to the ocean. Therefore extensive piping infrastructure as well as large mechanical pumps (and their high maintenance and operating costs) to pump the water over long distances is of zero concern here.. Low cost photovoltaic-generated electricity will allow our city to inexpensively desalinate any water that cannot be processed through our current aquifer system. Your concerns of us running out of potable water at some point has zero scientific basis.
The bigger concern will be the (ever-increasing) cost of treating that water (in the future) before it enters our ecosystem. But this is a cost issue, not one of being unable to provide the necessary natural resources society depends on to maintain its current standard of living.
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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T'anks, eh, JJ! Mele Kalikimaka!
Some friggin people juss no get it.......................
Dats why hahd...........
But, Merry Christmas............. Sooo, one year, for Christmas, waaaaaaayyy friggin back in the 70's, we did a joint kalua pork/turkey imu for a bunch of friends, and put two pigs into the hole, and ten, COUNT EM, TEN!!!!! turkeys into the same smokin, red hot, river rock and kiawe wood/ember filled hole. Cover em up, after banana leaves, banana stalks, luau leaf, wet burlap, maybe few near empty,,,, uuurrrrpppp, scuze me, beer cans. Cover with dirt, set the timer.... HOURS LATER,,,,,,,,, ALL PAU.. It's Christmas, everyone all happy, looking forward to taking their pelehu or pua'a dinner home... AND, ONLY NINE, COUNT EM,,, NINE, FRIGGIN TURKEYS IN THE HOLE!!!!
All these years later, I still wonder, WHERE IN THE HELL DID THAT TURKEY GO??????
We'd always put just one pig, a dozen turkeys and 'bout a hunderd laulau in the imu and open the first keg of beer. When that ran out, then open the imu and the second keg of beer. Dunno as if that was in the recipe or not, but that's what they'd do. We never tried to count the turkeys after, maybe you're not supposed to count them.
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