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Old 07-25-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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HothulaMaui and Hank both have good ideas which won't get you arrested or hassled. The zoo fence and the swap meet are both good ideas.

At the moment, the tourist industry is not doing well in Hawaii although it is doing better on Oahu than the other islands.
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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learn about maui's art scene. maui is considered "world class" in the quality of art in our galleries and the fine artists they represent. if are not a "fine artist" or have representation already you will not be able to get exhibited in any of the better galleries on front street, or wailea. if you have extraordinary skills but not quite fine art caliber then there is maybe two galleries that will consider your work. look at maui hands in paia. otherwise you are working the swap meet. we are saturated with hawaiian art here obviously so your hula girls will have to compete with lori higgins and others. lots on line about the art world here.
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:28 PM
 
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Pattijo, if you come to Maui, be sure to check out Makawao. It too has several little art galleries, many of which are the kind run by one artist exhibiting their work in their own place.

Check out The Hui for classes and learning.
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:01 AM
 
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Want to get an idea of cost and difficulties acquiring the permit itsel.I understand that the people doing portraits or weaving baskets and hats and making jewelry are there,
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Vansci123, just because someone online mentioned there are folks "doing portraits or weaving baskets and hats and making jewelry are there" doesn't mean there actually are folks here actually doing that. Just because folks are seen here doing that doesn't mean they are making enough money at it to support themselves. You can not move to Hawaii and support yourself doing portraits, weaving baskets or making jewelry. You can do it for a hobby and make side money, but you will also need another job (or two) to pay the bills.

Should you decide to try doing it, make sure you get a round trip plane ticket so you won't be stuck. Make sure you have some sort of other employable skill before deciding to move to Hawaii.

There are a few "sidewalk artists" although they are usually performance type artists of one variety or another. Most of them have another job during the day. Some of them make money from things other than what they get from putting out a hat. (Think drugs or prostitution.) Waikiki is extremely regulated, it is the major tourist draw in the state. I'm not sure what the equivalent would be, setting up as a portrait painter on the White House lawn maybe?
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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its a 1# amendment right to sell art they cannot stop you from selling on the beach it has been upheld in many a court
In case someone else comes across that silly statement:

Per Hawaii Administrative Rules, Chapter 255 Section 13-255-6 part b - Business operations, solicitation prohibited. No person shall engage in, conduct, transact, or solicit any business of any kind on or at Waikiki Beach.

http://hawaii.gov/dlnr/dbor/rules/13-255.pdf
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:38 AM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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No worries, Whtviper, that's another one of those new poster troll types, hopefully we will all ignore him since he posted something so flagrantly ignorant.
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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In case someone comes across this thread in the future.

The issues regarding Venice Beach aren't even remotely close to Waikiki Beach and I think that poster knows that. Anyway - the issues with Venice are around the permit process - what can be sold - and limitations on what expression can or cannot be done - and issues around donations. These were issues around discrimantory practices.

Waikiki Beach solves that like any other municipality - it just bans it outright - for everyone. No selective permits, etc.

People have indeed sued the city for the right to sell on Waikiki. The closes anyone, as far as I know, to winning is a non-profit who used consitutional arguments. The District Court actually agreed with the t-shirt sellers. It was subsequently thrown out on appeal.

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov....94-16373.html

Some key differences to Venice:

Waikiki is an outright ban - it isn't selective - nor are permits available.

Plaintiffs' activities closely resemble those in Gaudiya and the First Amendment therefore protects them. But there ends the similarity. In Gaudiya, the ordinance granted the police chief unbridled discretion to grant peddling permits and the plaintiffs there brought a facial challenge to this discretion. By contrast, Honolulu's ordinance is a flat ban; there are some exceptions, but no discretion to be exercised. Accordingly, on appeal, plaintiffs challenge section 29-6.2 only as applied to their activities.3"

"Such restrictions are valid if they (1) are content-neutral; (2) are narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest; and (3) leave open ample alternative channels of communication. Ward v. Rock Against Racism, 491 U.S. 781, 791, 109 S.Ct. 2746, 2753, 105 L.Ed.2d 661 (1989)."

"The district court found that the ordinance furthers three legitimate governmental interests: (1) "maintaining the aesthetic attractiveness of Waikiki," (2) "promoting public safety and the orderly movement of pedestrians," and (3) "protecting the local merchant economy." E.R. at 31. None of these interests concerns the content of speech, and there's no evidence that "the ordinance was designed to suppress certain ideas that the City finds distasteful or that it has been applied to [the plaintiffs] because of the views that they express." Members of the City Council of Los Angeles v. Taxpayers for Vincent, 466 U.S. 789, 804, 104 S.Ct. 2118, 2128, 80 L.Ed.2d 772 (1984). The ordinance imposes a flat ban, one that is applied without regard to content. Accordingly, it is content-neutral.5:

"Finally, Honolulu has demonstrated a substantial interest in protecting local merchants from unfair competition. See Turner Broadcasting Sys., Inc. v. F.C.C., --- U.S. ----, ---- - ----, 114 S.Ct. 2445, 2469-70, 129 L.Ed.2d 497 (1994). One legitimate preoccupation of local government is to attract and preserve business. Cities rely on a prosperous, stable merchant community for their tax base, as well as for the comfort and welfare of their citizens. Here, the district court found that "the tax-free and rent-free activities of the plaintiffs ... have had a significant affect [sic] on the economy of the abutting shop owners on Kalakaua and Kuhio Avenues whose taxes and rent contribute to the welfare and economy of this state." E.R. at 35. This kind of unfair competition threatens to erode tax revenues and undermine the strength of its commercial life.6 As amici remind us, plaintiffs can offer "remarkably low prices" in part because they pay no rent and aren't subject to various municipal regulations. Given the district court's findings, we must take seriously the concern that "[n]o ordinary merchant, forced to pay rent in Waikiki and comply with other applicable laws, possibly could compete with those prices for any significant period of time." Br. Amici Curiae at 20."

"Plaintiffs suggest less restrictive alternatives Honolulu could adopt to advance its interests, such as limiting the number of vendors, their hours of operation or the size and location of their stands. A reasonable time, place and manner regulation, however, need not be the "least restrictive or least intrusive" alternative. Id. at 798, 109 S.Ct. at 2757. "So long as the means chosen are not substantially broader than necessary to achieve the government's interest, ... the regulation will not be invalid simply because a court concludes that the government's interest could be adequately served by some less-speech-restrictive alternative." Id. at 800, 109 S.Ct. at 2758."

"Plaintiffs argue that selling message-bearing T-shirts is a unique mode of expression akin to displaying a sign in front of one's home. We are not persuaded. While wearing a message-bearing T-shirt might be a uniquely valuable mode of communication whose total ban could raise serious constitutional questions, cf. Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15, 91 S.Ct. 1780, 29 L.Ed.2d 284 (1971), the same can't be said for selling such a T-shirt on the sidewalk. A message on one's person or home has a unique effect because it "provide[s] information about the identity of the 'speaker' [which is] an important component of many attempts to persuade." Ladue, --- U.S. at ----, 114 S.Ct. at 2046. While selling T-shirts is a unique form of expression in the sense that serving message-bearing raviolis or preaching on street corners in a Donald Duck voice would be unique, it does nothing to make the message uniquely significant or effective. Various other traditional means of dissemination would get across exactly the same idea. Thus, we do not believe the sale of message-bearing T-shirts is so "uniquely valuable or important [a] mode of communication" as to be without effective substitute. Vincent, 466 U.S. at 812, 104 S.Ct. at 2132.

"Honolulu's peddling ordinance is content-neutral, narrowly tailored to serve substantial interests throughout Waikiki, and leaves ample alternative channels of communication. We therefore AFFIRM the partial denial of plaintiff's motion for a preliminary injunction on its enforcement on Kalakaua and Kuhio Avenues and VACATE the preliminary injunction on its enforcement in other areas of Waikiki."

You are welcome for the law lesson on selling on Waikiki Beach
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:22 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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@*whtviper1

LexisNexis viper?
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:56 PM
 
Location: SF Bay & Diamond Head
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When you want to sell anything to tourists in Hawaii you will run into a huge bureaucracy for dealing with anything tourist.
Been on Kalakaua in the last 25 years? I don't understand how all the "crap" is out there for the tourist.
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