Cincinnati,Cleveland,Columbus - Which is the most important? (Akron: vs., statistics)

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by costello_musicman

Another article discussing tax money distribution. Almost a 4:1 per capita ratio of Franklin Country to Cuyahoga County. Normally I'd presume it all works out evenly In the end, but articles like these always leave me scratching my head...

Ohio House approves $135 million for Cleveland-area capital projects | cleveland.com

Cuyahoga County, with a higher population than Franklin County, gets $50.62 per resident. Franklin gets $195.35 per resident.

Please - how is it thatthis doesn't actually benefit Columbus that much and Cleveland gets the same out of it.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

lol ok man. I'm sorry the other cities still haven't caught up.

By the way, Cinci was founded 1788, Cleveland in 1796. Columbus founded 1812.

1000 mile headstart? Only to someone looking for justification. I don't see how I'm degrading anyone's success by thinking that you should be able to recognize how big an economic producer CLeveland is. Something you never acknowlegde and always swing it back to how awesome Columbus is.

But you're right. Cleveland had a 16 year head start. More than 200 years ago. Listen to yourself. Columbus owes everything to Cleveland and Cincinnati. It wouldn't even exist without the two. You guys never show any understanding of this. And you continue to benefit from Cleveland and Cincinnati by having them pay for all your fancy new stuff.

The founding date has nothing to do with economic success, at all.

You, yet again, made a claim you couldn't back up, a pretty typical tradition around here. That's not to say that Cleveland is doing poorly and I never suggested that it was, but your made a factually incorrect statement about its economy. Instead of getting defensive, maybe don't make claims you don't know are true.

It's almost pathological how some people just can't accept responsibility for the condition of where they live or the place they supposedly root for. If Cleveland and its fans had spent half as much time working to keep their city prosperous as they do blaming everyone else for their current problems, places like Columbus would be about as important in Ohio as Springfield. Cleveland had everything going for it and dropped the ball. Accept it and move on.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Sources?

Ohio Economy at a Glance

You can do the math again if you'd like.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

But as a previou poster stated facts above , greater cleveland outpaces cbus by over 80 billion. With fewer counties included in the report. Why is it so hard to swallow that columbus(central) ohio will never surpass cleveland(NE) ohio in a hundred yrs. Regarding size, importance,relevance,Transportation,things to do,etc,etc.... People in cbus are finally seeing their city grow into more than just a cowtown with buckeye football But are clueless if they think cbus/central ohio can compete with the other 2 Cs

You're not talking about Cleveland, then, you're talking about all of NEO. Here I thought we were comparing cities, or at least metros. Cincinnati folks do the same thing by adding Dayton. I guess you have to do whatever it takes.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by costello_musicman

Another article discussing tax money distribution. Almost a 4:1 per capita ratio of Franklin Country to Cuyahoga County. Normally I'd presume it all works out evenly In the end, but articles like these always leave me scratching my head...

Ohio House approves $135 million for Cleveland-area capital projects | cleveland.com

Hamilton County also got more, despite being smaller than both. Franklin and Hamilton are in growing metros... Coincidence or conspiracy?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Cuyahoga County, with a higher population than Franklin County, gets $50.62 per resident. Franklin gets $195.35 per resident.

Please - how is it thatthis doesn't actually benefit Columbus that much and Cleveland gets the same out of it.

Cleveland is the economic powerhouse of the state, so I guess it just doesn't need as much support.

But seriously, I would love to see a link on annual tax dollar destinations for the state and just what these dollars are being spent on. For example, ODOT is rebuilding 70/71 right now. Is that money going towards that, or something else? What about in previous years? What's the actual average breakdown? Articles like that just stir the pot with people who already buy into the idea that it's unfair, but there is absolutely no context to it.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

The founding date has nothing to do with economic success, at all.

You, yet again, made a claim you couldn't back up, a pretty typical tradition around here. That's not to say that Cleveland is doing poorly and I never suggested that it was, but your made a factually incorrect statement about its economy. Instead of getting defensive, maybe don't make claims you don't know are true.

It's almost pathological how some people just can't accept responsibility for the condition of where they live or the place they supposedly root for. If Cleveland and its fans had spent half as much time working to keep their city prosperous as they do blaming everyone else for their current problems, places like Columbus would be about as important in Ohio as Springfield. Cleveland had everything going for it and dropped the ball. Accept it and move on.

What claim am I making?

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

The founding date has nothing to do with economic success, at all.

You, yet again, made a claim you couldn't back up, a pretty typical tradition around here. That's not to say that Cleveland is doing poorly and I never suggested that it was, but your made a factually incorrect statement about its economy. Instead of getting defensive, maybe don't make claims you don't know are true.

It's almost pathological how some people just can't accept responsibility for the condition of where they live or the place they supposedly root for. If Cleveland and its fans had spent half as much time working to keep their city prosperous as they do blaming everyone else for their current problems, places like Columbus would be about as important in Ohio as Springfield. Cleveland had everything going for it and dropped the ball. Accept it and move on.

What claim am I making?

You're like a professional martyr on these boards, but don't actually read the point of what some people, namely me, is saying.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

The founding date has nothing to do with economic success, at all.

You, yet again, made a claim you couldn't back up, a pretty typical tradition around here. That's not to say that Cleveland is doing poorly and I never suggested that it was, but your made a factually incorrect statement about its economy. Instead of getting defensive, maybe don't make claims you don't know are true.

It's almost pathological how some people just can't accept responsibility for the condition of where they live or the place they supposedly root for. If Cleveland and its fans had spent half as much time working to keep their city prosperous as they do blaming everyone else for their current problems, places like Columbus would be about as important in Ohio as Springfield. Cleveland had everything going for it and dropped the ball. Accept it and move on.

You don't make any sense. Cleveland historically has been more productive ever since the beginning of its history than Columbus. Even after Cleveland "dropped the ball." Still more productive than the rest. I think it's impressive. You take every opportunity to be defensive. I guess this is my "claim"? You seem to always miss the point. It's impressive as well.

You're really just proving my original point that nobody ever gives Cleveland props for still being so vital to whole region. I'm just saying the gerneal consensus around here is that "Cleveland is a neat little city but has gone through some really rough times. Columbus is the economic driver of the whole state and is in the best shape." We are just pointing out that that isn't totally accurate. Read the posts before going into hyper defensive mode.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Ohio Economy at a Glance

You can do the math again if you'd like.

This doesn't really define a "government" job. For example, those "education" jobs could easily be government jobs, but I can't find a place to confirm that. It also doesn't show the division between education and health services.

Columbus has way more state funded employees with Ohio State vs. Cleveland's health services sector is private (Cleveland Clinic,. However, the statistics don't reflect this.