Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus vying for 2016 Political Conventions (Shaker Heights, Ohio City: cinema, construction)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Columbus is not densely populated, its metro sprawls and is a glob of counties but if you want to spend a billion $$ to have a light-rail out to Port Columbus so Columbus can be a ''big'' city, then go for it, oh and pay for it yourself.

Cincinnati's streetcar is a loop in its downtown area. No sense with it in its current set-up.

The dense neighborhood trade off with the parking lot in Philly is misplaced since Philly has tons of dense, mixed use neighborhoods to trade-off against the contrived Arena District.

Sure you aren't.

We're not talking about putting rail in the entire metro. We're talking about rail in say, the High or Broad corridors, which are every bit as dense as where they exist in Cleveland or where it's getting built in Cincinnati. The High Street corridor around Campus has the highest density of any neighborhood in the state, so it's kind of strange to suggest that light rail wouldn't work there. And the airport line would be just the first, and is a line that most large cities already have. It would not cost anywhere near a billion.

Contrived Arena District? WTF does that mean? Seriously, what is your problem?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

As you know, the thread is about the 3 Ohio Cs competing for either the DNC or RNC. Columbus eliminated 1st round, Cincinnati withdrew/eliminated 2nd round, Cleveland won the RNC in the end (without a peep of support or congrats from the sour grapes losers).

Cleveland withdrew from the DNC and Columbus competed for and ultimately lost the DNC.

All I stated was that, of the 3, Cleveland won. As you also know, Cleveland has been the butt of national and state of Ohio jokes and dumping on for 50 years; I hated to mention my hometown wherever I went for the usual ripping and eye rolling from people. I remember a co-worker from Columbus working in Chicago getting visibly ticked-off and arguing that Cleveland did not have a rail transit system. Very bizarre.

Anyway, of the 3 Cs, only Cleveland had the ability to pull off a national convention so this is the fall-out for this win.

I stated all along that Columbus was not capable to handle the DNC, so that was turned into Cleveland insecurity, negativity etc., which it is not. There is a one-way rivalry from Cincinnati and to a lesser extent from Columbus with Cleveland.

Honestly, with every post, you're really making me want to actively root against Cleveland. Some of the other Cleveland posters should get you to really stop with this, because you are the absolute worst, most unlikeable poster when it comes to Cleveland and it makes you a terrible spokesman.

[immersedincincy]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Honestly, with every post, you're really making me want to actively root against Cleveland. Some of the other Cleveland posters should get you to really stop with this, because you are the absolute worst, most unlikeable poster when it comes to Cleveland and it makes you a terrible spokesman.

What he said.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Honestly, with every post, you're really making me want to actively root against Cleveland. Some of the other Cleveland posters should get you to really stop with this, because you are the absolute worst, most unlikeable poster when it comes to Cleveland and it makes you a terrible spokesman.

I guess the facts upset you for some reason. What specifically, since you generalize, bothered you about my last post?

Can you specify from this last post that has now incurred your ''actively root against Cleveland'' wrath?

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by immersedincincy

What he said.

Of the 3 Ohio Cs, Cleveland won the RNC handily. That's the way it rolled. Sorry that Cleveland landed the RNC against Cincinnati, Columbus, Dallas, Dener, Kansas City and Las Vegas.

I never said Cleveland was the best city; it just won, and beat out Cinci and Columbus in Ohio.

Deal with it.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

We're not talking about putting rail in the entire metro. We're talking about rail in say, the High or Broad corridors, which are every bit as dense as where they exist in Cleveland or where it's getting built in Cincinnati. The High Street corridor around Campus has the highest density of any neighborhood in the state, so it's kind of strange to suggest that light rail wouldn't work there. And the airport line would be just the first, and is a line that most large cities already have. It would not cost anywhere near a billion.

Contrived Arena District? WTF does that mean? Seriously, what is your problem?

It's interesting Columbus feels the need for limited light-rail when its annual ridership figures are under 20 million/year. For being on par with Cincinnati and Cleveland metro, why is the ridership so low? Cinci's isn't much better but Cleveland's is way down as well from its historic peak, yet growing as well.

Cleveland's light-rail is over 100 years old and was designed for Shaker Heights residents; its ridership needs improvement and could be remedied with a connector up E 9th Street. A minimal re-route.

Building a light-rail from scratch is quite expensive but I understand your need to downplay costs.

Columbus should try BRT first.

Cincinnati's streetcar in its current design will be a money pit. Again, Cinci is trying to create an image, a la Portland, and will throw any amount of $ into a streetcar just to say it has one.

[immersedincincy]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Of the 3 Ohio Cs, Cleveland won the RNC handily. That's the way it rolled. Sorry that Cleveland landed the RNC against Cincinnati, Columbus, Dallas, Dener, Kansas City and Las Vegas.

I never said Cleveland was the best city; it just won, and beat out Cinci and Columbus in Ohio.

Deal with it.

This post is so weird it makes no sense what-so-ever. How old are you anyway? Im guessing high school freshman? Or is that your maturity level?

[pontiac51]

Originally Posted by Kamms

It's very obvious that you have to embellish in your post. ''Cleveland isn't the finest city in the world...'' who said it was?

I know Cleveland quite well, but as far as the national political conventions for 2016, Cleveland is head and shoulders above Columbus and Cincinnati. Sorry, it's a fact.

You must be the most uniformed poster on C-data if you don't realize the thread is ''Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus vying for 2016 Political Conventions'' and the topic is the these cities competing to win the RNC or DNC. One of the three won a convention. It happened to be Cleveland. Deal with it.

Pay attention to the thread topic.

Not sure what that last line is about other than major sour grapes about Cleveland winning the RNC and Cincinnati and Columbus losing. Columbus eliminated round 1 RNC; Columbus never a real contender for the DNC, sorry, but that's true as well.

The thing that you don't seem to understand is that I'm very happy that Cleveland was awarded the convention. So I have no problem dealing with it!!! My point to you is that while Cleveland has a lot going on, it's much more similar to Columbus and Cincinnati than it is to New York and Boston, for example. Your support for Cleveland when compared to the other 2C's is way way over the top!!! And your posts here on C-data are often infantile and pathetic!!!!

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

I guess the facts upset you for some reason. What specifically, since you generalize, bothered you about my last post?

Can you specify from this last post that has now incurred your ''actively root against Cleveland'' wrath?

It's not just one post, it's your entire body of work the last several months. You have an obvious vendetta inspired by a perceived slight and now never miss a chance to vent that out. Cleveland is so much better than you.

[pontiac51]

Originally Posted by WRnative

<< I probably know city of Cleveland much better you do. >>

Nobody who knew Cleveland and Columbus well could have written this spiteful post. The fact is, Cleveland well exceeds Columbus as a destination, and Cincinnati also is above Columbus. E.g., both Cleveland and Cincinnati easily exceed Columbus in their cultural and pro sports amenities, and, no, Ohio State does not offset these advantages, except in the eyes of Columbus-based Buckeye sports fanatics, and I'm a Buckeye fan who regularly attends sporting events there.

Here's the evidence of Cleveland's great superiority as a destination:

Cleveland: Food Capital, USA | City Guide | Cleveland Scene

Where are the similar accolades for Columbus? If there are any, I've missed them.

Most of the derogatory comments in your post, apply to you, not Kamms.

A big reason that Cleveland won a national political convention is its excellent, new convention center. Hotels being built to support it, also were a consideration. A deficient convention center and a paucity of hotels kept Cleveland from serious consideration in decades past.

Cleveland's cultural amenities rate very highly in the U.S., and in the world, especially given the size of the city. Its physical location on Lake Erie also is a great asset; e.g., lake cruise ships, great museum ships, boat rentals, jet ski and kayak rentals downtown, fishing, surf beaches, etc. These amenities also make the city more attractive for large conventions.

The whiners here about comparisons between Cleveland and Columbus seem to be fact-less bashers who deal in subjective generalities instead of in reality. See post 238 in this thread for the factual realities.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...veland-24.html

Compare the tripadvisor.com top attractions for the various cities.

Top 30 things to do in Cleveland, OH: Cleveland Attractions

Top 30 things to do in Cincinnati, OH: Cincinnati Attractions

Top 30 things to do in Columbus, OH: Columbus Attractions

Philadelphia is one of a handful of cities in the U.S. that surpass Cleveland in its cultural amenities in addition to its status as a major historical destination. Additionally, nearby are the likes of Longwood Gardens, Winterthur, Valley Forge, to say nothing about the weeks worth of attractions within an hour.

It will be tough for a convention visitor to be bored in Philadelphia.

Cleveland benefits even today from its status as perhaps the wealthiest city in the world as measured by mean per capita net worth at the turn of the 20th century. The heirs of the city's great industrialists established a cultural mecca early in the 20th century and continued to enhance those efforts through the 20th century. It's extremely difficult to duplicate these efforts in the 21st century. No longer could a Jeptha Wade II cruise the world on his yacht collecting treasures on the cheap for his beloved art museum. A Sherman Lee, an Asian Monuments Man, could no longer use an immense acquisitions budget to roam Asia collecting important works in the aftermath of World War II. E.g., India, at the time, actually encouraged the export of cultural masterpieces to enhance the appreciation of its cultural globally.

Even late in the 20th century, Cleveland benefited from visionary efforts of a remarkable nature.

Cleveland: PlayhouseSquare - TripAdvisor

10 Best Regional Theaters in the U.S. | Fodor's

I enjoy Columbus very much. Over the years, I've explored most of the city, all of the gentrifying neighborhoods, and most attractions in the region. What sickens me are the uninformed posts that attempt to aggrandize Columbus for no reason at the expense of Cleveland and even Cincinnati. I have friends in Columbus, and have visited major attractions there countless times, and I greatly enjoy my visits there.

However, nobody who has set foot in the Cleveland Museum of Art, Severance Hall, the West Side Market, the Rock Hall, etc., could write with any objective honesty the absurdities about Cleveland which regularly populate the Ohio city-data forums.

It's obvious that you have some kind of "Cleveland Inferiority Complex". You need to go see a doctor!!

First of all, I know the city of Cleveland inside and out, so I sure as hell don't need a tourism lesson from someone like yourself!! Second of all, in my previous post I said that Cleveland is not head and shoulders above Columbus and Cincinnati. Cities like Chicago and DC are head and shoulders above Columbus and Cincinnati, not Cleveland, though in my opinion Cleveland has more to offer than the other 2C's. So while it's very admirable and touching that you felt the need to write a tourism manual in response to my earlier post, you would be better served using that same effort in locating some Common Sense!! And take Mr. Kamms with you!!!