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Old 11-02-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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Interesting.

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/news/...rt_river_index

My biggest surprise reading the above article is Kasich's popularity in northwest Ohio, which has been ravaged by toxic algal blooms. Kasich blocked the federal EPA's intervention until the Trump administration took over, and, unlike the Obama EPA, the Trump EPA views the Maumee River basin agricultural pollution as Ohio and Indiana responsibilities, and Indiana doesn't even have a shoreline with Lake Erie.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:06 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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The numbers speak for themselves.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live-...112742973.html
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Old 11-03-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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And yet his approval rating has been underwater the entire time nationally, with very little movement either way. It's very rare for a president to not get credit for a decent economy, so you have to ask yourself what Trump must be doing to keep his numbers so low. It's almost as if he is a narcissistic, evil sociopath otherwise.
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Old 11-03-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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And yet his approval rating has been underwater the entire time nationally, with very little movement either way. It's very rare for a president to not get credit for a decent economy, so you have to ask yourself what Trump must be doing to keep his numbers so low. It's almost as if he is a narcissistic, evil sociopath otherwise.
I don't put much stock in surveys or polls. I just look at the facts. In this country is definitely moving in the right direction economically. Trump is definitely pulling the correct strings to move this country forward with job creation and wage growth. Even this mostly liberal democratic new station agrees.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...h-on-fire.html
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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I don't put much stock in surveys or polls. I just look at the facts. In this country is definitely moving in the right direction economically. Trump is definitely pulling the correct strings to move this country forward with job creation and wage growth. Even this mostly liberal democratic new station agrees.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...h-on-fire.html
Those well versed in economics understand that irresponsible politicians can goose an economy before an election if they don't care about the consequences.

Donald Trump is willing to manufacture a "Wag the Dog"-like "invasion" largely of mothers and children that necessitates a larger military commitment (15,000 troops) to the American border than currently exists in Afghanistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.b50ae9ba2288

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/polit...sms/index.html

So it's not surprising that Trump and his Republican enablers have juiced the economy in an effort to survive just one more election cycle.

Leading experts are worried about the consequences in coming years, let alone currently.

Consider that federal borrowing is at record levels, despite the booming economy. Deficits are once again rising, approaching $1 trillion, despite the booming economy. Mortgage rates are up 20 percent in one year for 30-year fixed rate loans. Federal expense is mushrooming, even though the Treasury largely is using short-term funding with lower interest rates to finance the debt, due to much higher rates on federal debt as well as increased borrowing. Short-term funding makes the federal government much more vulnerable to future interest rate hikes than if more money were borrowed now at historically low long-term rates, even though current long-term rates are higher than current short-term rates.

Federal debt sales under Trump surpassing record set after financial crisis - Los Angeles Times

See one-year graph here:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=NUh

https://stevenrattner.com/2018/10/mo...-higher-rates/

Trump and his Republican enablers in Congress, didn't think twice about triggering a vicious debt cycle with seriously negative present and future consequences. The U.S. has much greater borrowings and unfunded liabilities than when we last entered a vicious debt cycle in the 1970s, as a result then of fiscal imprudence during the Vietnam War era. Those who remember the resulting stagflation and double-digit federal interest rates are petrified of what is ahead.

See the max charts here:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...est-rate?embed

https://www.macrotrends.net/2016/10-...te-yield-chart

Famed "Bond King" Jeffrey Gundlach say we're on an economic "suicide mission."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uicide-mission

Ray Dalio, the investment legend who manages the largest U.S. hedge fund, expects the piper to be paid within two years, with a dollar crisis that could see the dollar falling 30 percent, precipitating a great 1970s-like wave of inflation.

https://www.pionline.com/article/201...-from-downturn

https://www.macrotrends.net/2497/his...n-rate-by-year

Of course, unlike in the 1970s, we'll also have to deal with the massive economic costs of man-made climate change, including hundreds of billions annually spent on hurricane recovery, fighting western forest fires, etc.

//www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...ange-ohio.html

So, party on, but be very, very afraid.
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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Those well versed in economics understand that irresponsible politicians can goose an economy before an election if they don't care about the consequences.

Donald Trump is willing to manufacture a "Wag the Dog"-like "invasion" largely of mothers and children that necessitates a larger military commitment (15,000 troops) to the American border than currently exists in Afghanistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.b50ae9ba2288

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/polit...sms/index.html

So it's not surprising that Trump and his Republican enablers have juiced the economy in an effort to survive just one more election cycle.

Leading experts are worried about the consequences in coming years, let alone currently.

Consider that federal borrowing is at record levels, despite the booming economy. Deficits are once again rising, approaching $1 trillion, despite the booming economy. Mortgage rates are up 20 percent in one year for 30-year fixed rate loans. Federal expense is mushrooming, even though the Treasury largely is using short-term funding with lower interest rates to finance the debt, due to much higher rates on federal debt as well as increased borrowing. Short-term funding makes the federal government much more vulnerable to future interest rate hikes than if more money were borrowed now at historically low long-term rates, even though current long-term rates are higher than current short-term rates.

Federal debt sales under Trump surpassing record set after financial crisis - Los Angeles Times

See one-year graph here:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=NUh

https://stevenrattner.com/2018/10/mo...-higher-rates/

Trump and his Republican enablers in Congress, didn't think twice about triggering a vicious debt cycle with seriously negative present and future consequences. The U.S. has much greater borrowings and unfunded liabilities than when we last entered a vicious debt cycle in the 1970s, as a result then of fiscal imprudence during the Vietnam War era. Those who remember the resulting stagflation and double-digit federal interest rates are petrified of what is ahead.

See the max charts here:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...est-rate?embed

https://www.macrotrends.net/2016/10-...te-yield-chart

Famed "Bond King" Jeffrey Gundlach say we're on an economic "suicide mission."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uicide-mission

Ray Dalio, the investment legend who manages the largest U.S. hedge fund, expects the piper to be paid within two years, with a dollar crisis that could see the dollar falling 30 percent, precipitating a great 1970s-like wave of inflation.

https://www.pionline.com/article/201...-from-downturn

https://www.macrotrends.net/2497/his...n-rate-by-year

Of course, unlike in the 1970s, we'll also have to deal with the massive economic costs of man-made climate change, including hundreds of billions annually spent on hurricane recovery, fighting western forest fires, etc.

//www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...ange-ohio.html

So, party on, but be very, very afraid.
Nice deflection of more outstanding economic news.. You can be very very afraid. Me, I'm enjoying the new economy. And you're above thoughts and opinions on the illegals marching toward this country. They lost the right to Asylum when they refused Mexico's help. The caravan is doing nothing but country shopping for the one they get the most free ****. Btw looks more like young 20 something men to me and the kind of people I don't want in our country. Please explain how illegal aliens help our country?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3G40iqHlSmU
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:29 PM
 
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Nice deflection of more outstanding economic news.. You can be very very afraid. Me, I'm enjoying the new economy. And you're above thoughts and opinions on the illegals marching toward this country. They lost the right to Asylum when they refused Mexico's help. The caravan is doing nothing but country shopping for the one they get the most free ****. Btw looks more like young 20 something men to me and the kind of people I don't want in our country. Please explain how illegal aliens help our country?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3G40iqHlSmU
Until Trump and the current bunch of Republicans, federal politicians always have been responsible and attempted to reduce deficits during buoyant economic periods (consider the Clinton/Republican Congress of the 1990s). We would have had a strong economy without the Trump/Republican tax reform, which in many respects was a give-away to one percenters and the rest of the nation's wealthy. Did you support the 20 percent income deduction for pass-through entities which greatly benefited real estate developers such as the Trump family? If we could see Trump's tax returns, I suspect he gave himself tax cuts worth hundreds of millions.

Trump's tariffs will greatly tax the middle class and the nation's poor very disproportionately. Inflation, higher interest rates, and Trump's executive order to cut federal spending (think federal services) by 5 percent also will sock it to the middle class and the poor. Do you want the FBI and Dept. of Homeland Security budget slashed 5 percent to pay for massive tax cuts for the Trump family?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...129_story.html

As with man-made climate change, you also wear a big set of blinders when it comes to economics and seem unable to see what is coming even when it is carefully laid out for you.

If you've read my posts over the years, I've consistently supported tough immigration reform, including both elimination of birth right citizenship and dual citizenship for adults. I'm tougher on immigration than almost all Republicans, including Trump, who really doesn't want immigration reform.

Trump and the Republicans have controlled the federal government for almost 2 years and haven't even introduced immigration reform let alone attempted to pass a bill.

By contrast, in 2013 with greater Democratic support than Republican support, the Senate passed by a wide majority a tough immigration bill. It would have cracked down hard on the employment of illegal immigrants and even eliminated the diversity visa, which Trump now opposes a few weeks before the election. The Republican House leadership wouldn't allow a vote on the bill, or even propose amendments, even though Obama was willing to sign a bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...on_Act_of_2013

The Republicans promised a better bill, but still haven't delivered one 5 years later. This the kind of legislative rot that you champion? The Republicans don't want to lose one of their biggest wedge issues by actually reforming immigration laws. And good little Trumpies, unable to see what is obvious, actually believe that the Republicans want tough immigration reform and that many Democratic Congresspersons don't want it, despite Democratic support for the passage of the 2013 Senate immigration bill. Absolutely pathetic.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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Yes, they do.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/re...ugust-2018.htm
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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It's weird how Trumpers only seem to care about money. Ethics, the Constitution, rights, global relationships, etc. are trivial matters at best. It speaks to the selfish, ignorant mindset of these people. It's a real shame that their they didn't have a better upbringing, that their parents, families, and general environments created such dirty, immoral human beings with not a shred of basic human decency. So long as they believe their wallets are fattening, they will tolerate anything- even celebrate it.
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Old 11-04-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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It's weird how Trumpers only seem to care about money. Ethics, the Constitution, rights, global relationships, etc. are trivial matters at best. It speaks to the selfish, ignorant mindset of these people. It's a real shame that their they didn't have a better upbringing, that their parents, families, and general environments created such dirty, immoral human beings with not a shred of basic human decency. So long as they believe their wallets are fattening, they will tolerate anything- even celebrate it.
Replace "Trumpers" with literally any other subsection of people and you'd rightfully condemn such a paragraph as pretty darn hateful.

I know many people on all sides of politics who are quite caring and loving. I would like to see more of it.
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