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Old 07-26-2021, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Wooster, Ohio
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DeWine may or may not mandate masks again. Even if he does not, every individual county or city could mandate it on their own, unfortunately.
With the passage of SB 22 over the governor's veto, that's not likely to happen. SB 22 also limited the powers of local health boards. Here's a description of the changes:
https://theohiostar.com/2021/03/26/w...d-does-not-do/
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Old 07-26-2021, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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With the passage of SB 22 over the governor's veto, that's not likely to happen. SB 22 also limited the powers of local health boards. Here's a description of the changes:
https://theohiostar.com/2021/03/26/w...d-does-not-do/
I didn’t see where it limited the power of local health boards in that article, but I could have misunderstood how they word things.
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Old 07-29-2021, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I don't think that local health boards have the authority to "order" anything. Any order would have to be approved by an elected official like a governor or mayor. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is an elected official anywhere in Ohio that would be stupid enough to try to return to shutdown orders or mask mandates. Under ANY circumstances. Because that worked so well the first time around, didn't it?
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Old 07-29-2021, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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I don't think that local health boards have the authority to "order" anything. Any order would have to be approved by an elected official like a governor or mayor. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is an elected official anywhere in Ohio that would be stupid enough to try to return to shutdown orders or mask mandates. Under ANY circumstances. Because that worked so well the first time around, didn't it?
The mayor of Columbus probably will. He got a mask obsession.
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Old 07-29-2021, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The mayor of Columbus probably will. He got a mask obsession.
I guess you're right. There could be a few. But is he interested in running for re-election? And does he have a police department interested in responding to mask calls? Many police departments don't want to waste their time.
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Old 07-30-2021, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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I guess you're right. There could be a few. But is he interested in running for re-election? And does he have a police department interested in responding to mask calls? Many police departments don't want to waste their time.
Police are definitely not enforcing masks anywhere.
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Old 08-12-2021, 08:14 AM
 
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Default New Zealand remains COVID free

My point in emphasizing Australia, contrary to the anti-science arguments of several Republican governors and overwhelming numbers of Republican legislators, both in Congress and in many states, including Ohio, is that public health measures are extremely effective in limiting the spread of viruses. By stomping out transmission, the consequences of an uncontrolled epidemic also are contained, if not eliminated.

The health impacts of an epidemic are obvious -- sickness limiting activities including work, costly hospitalizations, deaths, and long-term sequelae. For COVID, long-term sequelae are referred to as long COVID, which typically involves the impairment of organs such as the heart and kidneys, and very frequently according to research, the brain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequela

<<Post-COVID conditions can occur in patients who have had varying degrees of illness during acute infection, including those who had mild or asymptomatic infections.>>

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...onditions.html

One pre-Delta variant study said about 1/3 of infected individuals, including those who were asymptomatic, suffer from long COVID sequelae. Given the increased virulence of the Delta variant, the likelihood and severity of Delta long COVID infections may be greater, although this can be studied only post infection.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/91270

So it's inexcusable that Ohio Republicans, including Gov. DeWine, have effectively banned even county-wide mask mandates in Ohio.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/...official-says/

Australia went a couple months with no COVID infections before it launched a series of lockdowns and forced quarantines in order to contain COVID Delta infections. As it ramps up vaccination rates from levels much lower than in the U.S., by year-end, it may be able to contain COVID infections without lockdowns.

New Zealand, exercising similar public health measures to those employed in Australia, even now remains COVID free. It now is considering reopening the country as its vaccination program ramps up.

<<New Zealand laid out a plan for easing some of the world’s toughest Covid-19 border curbs, which have kept out the highly contagious delta variant and seen the island nation effectively virus-free for much of the pandemic....

Vaccination “is the number one thing everyone can do to be protected against Covid-19, help accelerate our economic recovery, reduce the risk of lockdowns, and safely allow New Zealand’s borders to begin re-opening next year,” Ardern said. “The first step in our plan is speeding up the vaccination process to ensure everyone is at least partially vaccinated as soon as possible.”...

New Zealand’s push to eliminate the virus has paid dividends, with just 26 Covid deaths and life within its borders relatively normal. The country has scored consistently well on Bloomberg’s Covid Resilience Ranking, which measures the best and worst places to be amid the pandemic. After some early lockdowns, community transmission has been scarce thanks to the nation’s isolation and the zero-tolerance border and testing regime.>>

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rder-reopening

By employing effective public health measures, New Zealanders have avoided not only the great levels of death experienced in the U.S.; the economic costs of treating COVID patients; the economic costs of social distancing, whether regulated or self-imposed; but also the impacts of long COVID on individual health, but also on labor availability and productivity.

American politicians such Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and Senators Ted Cruz and Rand Paul who have politicized public health measures likely are laughingstock representations of American decline in New Zealand. Although the decline of the U.S. is not a funny development in any democracy dependent on the U.S. to offset increasingly overt Chinese dominance in the Pacific region.

https://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-call...133500026.html

Given the plentiful availability of vaccine doses, and the certainty of widespread long COVID devastation, it's a tragedy that Ohio and the U.S. have generally abandoned the science of using public health measures to combat the Delta variant and any future viral epidemic. It's disturbing that the Biden administration and Ohio Democrats have not focused on long COVID as an example of the need to rebuild and employ U.S. public health measures.

Last edited by WRnative; 08-12-2021 at 08:23 AM..
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Old 10-27-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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Default Mask mandates reduce positivity rate in Franklin County?

Columbus is one of the few Ohio political entities to reimpose an indoor mask mandate during the Delta surge.

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/loca...date-10-4-2021

As Columbus represents most of Franklin County, I found the current positivity rates for Ohio counties informative. See "County Level Confirmatory 14-Day Positivity Rates" here.

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/por...etrics/testing

Clicking on Franklin County, the positivity rate is 6 percent in both Franklin and Delaware Counties.

Athens County, where Ohio University is enforcing both a mask and vaccine mandate and the City of Athens has a mask mandate, the positivity rate is 4.6 percent, the only Ohio county below the desired 5 percent.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

Cuyahoga (Cleveland; 9 percent) and Hamilton (Cincinnati; 8.1 percent) Counties have positivity rates in the high single digits. Summit County (Akron) 11.1 percent, Lucas (Toledo) 13.7 percent, and Montgomery County (Dayton) 10.9 percent have double digit positivity rates.

Many rural counties likely with both low vaccination rates and negligible mask wearing have positivity rates in the higher teens and with several above 20 percent in southeast and northwest Ohio.

Last edited by WRnative; 10-27-2021 at 12:32 PM..
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Old 10-27-2021, 02:01 PM
 
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Default California may have exited the COVID epidemic; will Ohio follow the lead?

While researching post 148, I was amazed to learn that California now has a positivity rate below 2 percent on top of suppressing the Delta surge through mask and now vaccine mandates.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...s-july-14.html

Since the July 31, as the Delta surge has ravaged the nation. California has reported 799,963 COVID cases (20,246 per miilion population) and 7,784 deaths (197 per million). Ohio's comparable numbers 398,699 (34,109) and 3,663 (313). Scroll over total deaths and total cases here:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...sa/california/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/ohio/

Scrolling over daily deaths on the above web pages, Ohio is reporting 50-100 deaths daily, while CA has fallen into single digits. Ohio's population is less than 30 percent of California's population.

Here are various state-wide mask mandates in CA.

https://covid19.ca.gov/masks-and-ppe...-in-daily-life

https://covid19.ca.gov/masks-and-ppe...-the-workplace

California vaccine mandates include an upcoming order to require schoolchildren to receive a COVID vaccine once they are fully approved.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/07/26/ca...et-vaccinated/

Los Angeles schools already implemented a vaccine mandate requirement for school children.

https://apnews.com/article/health-ed...28953478ee144d

State and health care workers have been subject to a vaccine mandate for many months.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/07/26/ca...et-vaccinated/

https://edsource.org/2021/could-new-...a-worse/662456

California's fully vaccinated rate is over 9 percent higher than in Ohio and the gap likely will widen in coming weeks and months given the state's vaccine mandates and implementation of vaccine passport laws in some counties.

Several California counties require positive vaccination status before entering buildings.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavi...255313226.html

How many deaths and long COVID patients (which correlate with cases) and how much economic and social stress could have been prevented in Ohio IF Gov. Mike DeWine and the Republican Ohio legislature had pursued aggressive mask and vaccine mandates as in California?

In coming months, as society moves back indoors and the holiday season increases social contact, DeWine and the Republicans likely will keep Ohio mired in a COVID epidemic despite the increasingly wide availability of vaccines and effective antibody treatments IF administered early in an infection, which requires robust testing.

We need to ignore the knuckleheads and end the COVID epidemic in Ohio now. California has shown the way. Let's follow it.
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Old 10-27-2021, 02:41 PM
 
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Default Vaccine hesitancy, vaccine refusal, or irrational fear founded on misinformation?

Reading this story, I wondered how persons could continue to expose themselves and others to such a lethal virus, let alone forfeit a $3 million/year job rather than accept a vaccination. How many times is this playing out in Ohio, even as we know the unvaccinated are dying very disproportionately?

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...vid-19-vaccine

My firm belief is that federal government is missing the boat by not focusing on long COVID sequelae. Reports indicate that 10 percent or more of infected individuals, including those with mild or asymptomatic infections, develop long COVID. Some experts believe, like herpes or HIV, that the COVID virus remains in the body after active infections. Yet the federal government focuses only on prevention of severe COVID infections that result in hospitalization or worse. Little or no attention is paid to the serious consequences of a COVID infection as represented by the long COVID sequelae.

See post 447 here:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...thread-45.html

A major problem in Ohio is that many leaders, including Gov. DeWine but most especially Ohio Republican legislators treat COVID as if it was a flu virus. It is NOT. If Ohioans understood the consequences of long COVID they may have a different attitude towards vaccination. Last week I heard Monica Robbins on WKYC in Cleveland report that local doctors were concerned by the number of long COVID cases that they were seeing among children. Shouldn't Ohio's politicians be concerned as well before they block mask and vaccination mandates??? How does DeWine justify not explaining long COVID and then pushing much more for measures to reduce COVID transmission in Ohio, just as Gov. Gavin Newsom is doing in California?
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