08-20-2013, 08:59 AM
Location: Portland, OR
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Ill put it plainly: Washington has Amazon, T Mobile, Russell, Boeing, Nintendo, Microsoft and Oregon has Nike and Intel. When it comes to state economic development, what are our neighbors to the north doing better than us?
08-20-2013, 09:36 AM
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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08-20-2013, 09:49 AM
Location: Portland, OR
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Larry Caldwell
Correlation does not equal causation.
The Richmond, VA area is home to, or has a large presence (like Intel here) of 8 Fortune 500 companies and is roughly 1/2 the size of Portland.
08-20-2013, 09:53 AM
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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Lack of military bases and spending. Boeing is the WW2 engine that drove Seattle development into the 50s and 60s. We, on the other hand, have the Umatilla Chemical Weapons Depot, which is, um, not quite the same level. Microsoft is what attracted all the later high tech/software. What put Microsoft in Seattle? It's where Bill Gates was from.
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08-20-2013, 12:16 PM
Location: the Beaver State
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Well first off Dr. McLoughlin encouraged all those pesky tourists to stay.
08-20-2013, 12:28 PM
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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Wondering why two adjoining states could be so different is nothing new – it's been going on for decades.
A number of years ago, maybe 10, a University of Oregon economics professor wrote a long article for the Oregonian addressing this subject. He attributed it mainly to the differing mindsets of the people who originally populated the two states – they came from different parts of the eastern U.S. He had maps showing the migrations.
I don't know if his analysis is completely true, but it certainly should be taken into consideration.
For me, some indications of a different mindset--
The Seattle World's Fair, something that Portland never considered:
Century 21 Exposition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And, something that many thought would be a failure because the city was so small, but they were wrong, Expo ,74:
Expo '74 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
About this time, Eugene, similar in size to Spokane, became famous for being the birthplace of jogging in the United States :
Jogging.: William J Bowerman: 9780448144436: Amazon.com: Books
For a very important difference in mindset, read this Oregonian editorial about Oregon's universities:
University competition expands from Pac-12 to Pacific Rim | OregonLive.com
Here is the survey referenced in the article:
World University Rankings 2012-2013 - Times Higher Education
The University of Washington is one of the top universities in the world. The University of Oregon and Oregon State are way down in the minor leagues, lumped in groups of 25, known only to their local fans.
From the editorial : “All together, the University of Washington looks like the kind of operation that could drive a local economy.”
Then it says: “Nobody expects Oregon to have a Berkeley, or even a UW.”
What a defeatist attitude. Maybe Oregon can't expect to have a Berkeley – the University of California system is a wonder of the education world – but why not a UW, or at least have one in the same major league.
If you look at the survey, you will see that parts of the country that some people on the coasts call backward, the South, Flyover Country, Texas, etc., manage of have major league public universities that are among the greatest in the world.
It will never happen in Oregon, though. We will be content with our “natural beauty.”
08-20-2013, 10:09 PM
Location: Portland, OR
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I'll put it just as plainly: how does the average Seattelite benefit over an Oregonian for their state being so much more blessed with Fortune 500 entities? Do they receive checks in the mail every quarter just for living there? Is the Seattle minimum wage $15/hr? Are Seattle streets paved with Gold and Silver? What? Really, what tangible benefit does Seattle receive from its... its... superiority? I'll put it even plainer... what stops people who admire certain cities or countries so much that they are constantly moved to criticize other places... what stops them from simply moving to the locations of their affections?? Why live in a second rate backwater like Oregon when three hours longer on I-5 and they could have been where all the action is? What am I missing?? pay them to reside there and not the other way around. Maybe its me but I can't see that Oregon is materially worse off for not having more Fortune 500 leeches on its books. Both states will be around long after the o.p. and I are dust. States like Arkansas, Wyoming, Montana and a bunch of other republics are going to outlive us all regardless of how business friendly or not they are. FWIW.
08-20-2013, 10:17 PM
Location: Southern Oregon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
VTHokieFan
Ill put it plainly: Washington has Amazon, T Mobile, Russell, Boeing, Nintendo, Microsoft and Oregon has Nike and Intel. When it comes to state economic development, what are our neighbors to the north doing better than us?
Good question. Oregon is doing little to draw in new investors.
08-20-2013, 11:01 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation.
So how have those Fortune 500 companies benefited the Richmond area so much more so that it'd be a better place than Portland? The unemployment rate is similar(actually it's slightly higher in Richmond than Portland), the GDP is about under half of the GDP of the Portland metro in the Richmond Metro, and Richmond hardly gained population in the last decade.
Not to knock Richmond, it seems like an okay place from what I've heard about it, despite some of the crime problems it gets knocked for. But why hasn't the location of all those Fortune 500 companies made Richmond into some sort of dynamo that one would stay in rather than moving to some economic backwater on the West Coast...
08-20-2013, 11:44 PM
Location: Portland, OR
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Leisesturm
I'll put it just as plainly: how does the average Seattelite benefit over an Oregonian for their state being so much more blessed with Fortune 500 entities? Do they receive checks in the mail every quarter just for living there? Is the Seattle minimum wage $15/hr? Are Seattle streets paved with Gold and Silver? What? Really, what tangible benefit does Seattle receive from its... its... superiority? I'll put it even plainer... what stops people who admire certain cities or countries so much that they are constantly moved to criticize other places... what stops them from simply moving to the locations of their affections?? Why live in a second rate backwater like Oregon when three hours longer on I-5 and they could have been where all the action is? What am I missing?? pay them to reside there and not the other way around. Maybe its me but I can't see that Oregon is materially worse off for not having more Fortune 500 leeches on its books. Both states will be around long after the o.p. and I are dust. States like Arkansas, Wyoming, Montana and a bunch of other republics are going to outlive us all regardless of how business friendly or not they are. FWIW.
I'm not sure we have much discuss. I think what you're asking is "What tangible benefit does Seattle and Washington get from having very solid companies in their state?" Do you really need that answered?
I feel like I presented a very valid question. Feel free to discuss.
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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